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[mrv3000]

Honestly I spent much of this episode saying "get on with it! Even though it was full of action it felt like it went on forever.

Anyway, the whole fairytale aspect of it - cute. Although I have to say that the whole dynamic it's created with Amy isn't really my favorite dynamic in the history of the Doctor and Companions. I prefer things a bit more real. Really, the sci-fi stuff they normally encounter is enough without adding another layer of unreality. Though I really like that Amy and Rory remember things - I hate reset buttons.

I've decided that River is Jack Harkness. If he can eventually become a giant face, why not a woman for a while? Nothing will convince me otherwise. Personal canon. Amen.

Yay for Rory joining the TARDIS! He really does add something. Actually, I have to admit he's striking me as really the only genuine character in the ensemble. Eleven, Amy and River are all a bit cartoony to me - they all still feel like caricatures rather than flesh and blood people. But oh well.

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[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

I still don't completely understand what happened in this episode. LOL. Like, there was lots of stuff happening, but idrk why or how. I think that this episode could have used some more time to breathe, if that makes sense.

Also, the entire premise of the ending should theoretically change Amy's character completely (growing up with her parents and without being abandoned by the Doctor). What do you want to bet that nothing changes in series 6?

But IA. Rory really feels like the most genuine character. I LOVE HIM. Eleven really grew on me by the end of the series, but he definitely feels a lot less real and a lot more alien than Nine or Ten did. So I enjoy Eleven, but I don't really connect with him or care for him like I did previous Doctors.

[papilio-luna.livejournal.com]

What do you want to bet that nothing changes in series 6?

HUSH, YOU, YOU'LL JINX IT.

[maypanic.livejournal.com]

the entire premise of the ending should theoretically change Amy's character completely

I think I would like an Amy without the abandonment issues and lack of empathy a lot more. Nothing huge, you know, vital but subtle. There was a great deal of promise in how easily she told Rory "I love you" in the reworked universe, now they just need to follow up on that.

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

I still don't completely understand what happened in this episode.

I decided against attempting to understand what happened. I enjoy it much more that way. :-)

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

You will ignore the plot holes... *handwaves*

And I really really really doubt there'll be any caracter change for anyone. XD

[maypanic.livejournal.com]

I've decided that River is Jack Harkness. If he can eventually become a giant face, why not a woman for a while? Nothing will convince me otherwise. Personal canon. Amen.

YES, THIS. Bwahaha. That would explain how she instantly knew how to use the vortex manipulator. Now to get her in a long swishy hero coat.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

See? Yes! It totally fits!

[miiro.livejournal.com]

I absolutely adore Rory, and this episode only cemented it. Even when I write with Ten, I find someway, somehow, to include Rory in it.

Personally, I think River is someone else, although, now that you mention it... yes... she does scream "Hi! I'm Jack as a woman!" vibes.

And Jack did say something in the show, so it is canon, about carrying children once... so you may be onto something.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I absolutely adore Rory, and this episode only cemented it. Even when I write with Ten, I find someway, somehow, to include Rory in it.

Awwww! :D

Personally, I think River is someone else, although, now that you mention it... yes... she does scream "Hi! I'm Jack as a woman!" vibes.

And Jack did say something in the show, so it is canon, about carrying children once... so you may be onto something.

It would be AWESOME. XD

[jedi_of_urth]

Woot, I'm not the only one who thinks River is Jack to me it just makes sense. Also it amuses me to think of him/her toying with him like this where River as a separate entity it doesn't.

[katesutton.livejournal.com]

Yes! I really don't like River's constant neener neener thing, because the author never gave me a chance to get to know her without it. If that makes sense. Now if it's Jack, after all of Ten's whatever!attitude towards him? That would be HILARIOUS.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

It would be such a great thing! XD

[raysgal.livejournal.com]

I still have no idea what happened in this episode. I tried to figure it out, but it only left me with a headache and an intense disliking for so many things about Series 5.

Though I love Rory. Whenever he's on the screen I'm happy. He's completely adorable and occasionally dresses like Marty McFly.

[captaintish]

Oh, wow, he totally does dress like Marty!! The vest and everything. LOL.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I still have no idea what happened in this episode. I tried to figure it out, but it only left me with a headache and an intense disliking for so many things about Series 5.

Amy thought the Doctor into existence. Except that River thought of him first. But River doesn't have POWERS. See? Simple! ;D

Though I love Rory. Whenever he's on the screen I'm happy. He's completely adorable and occasionally dresses like Marty McFly.

HA!

[captaintish]

I love Rory joining them in the TARDIS. Rory is awesome.

River is Jack Harkness. Hmmm. Well, I like that theory a lot better than the ones about her being the Doctor's mother, or daughter, or himself. Because with the whole flirtiness factor-- those three options are just EWWW.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I love Rory joining them in the TARDIS. Rory is awesome.

It actually makes me more interested in S6.

River is Jack Harkness. Hmmm. Well, I like that theory a lot better than the ones about her being the Doctor's mother, or daughter, or himself. Because with the whole flirtiness factor-- those three options are just EWWW.

EWW IS RIGHT. EW. TIME LORDS ARE SICK.

[got_swagger]

LOL These episodes kind of make no sense and are extremely flawed in terms of continuity, but I love them anyway and they're two of my favorites. (Yes, I love angsty endings as much as the next glutton for punishment, but it was nice to have a happy ending for once. That said... rip my heart out next season? Please?)

My favorite scene is probably this one:





"Funny. I thought if you could hear me, I could hang on somehow. Silly me... silly old Doctor. When you wake up, you'll have a mum and dad. And you won't even remember me. Well, you'll remember me a little. I'll be a story in your head. That's okay. We're all stories in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? 'Cause it was, you know. It was the best.

A daft old man who stole a magic box and ran away. Did I ever tell you that I stole it? Well, I borrowed it. I was always gonna take it back. Oh, that box, Amy. You'll dream about that box. It'll never leave you. Big and little at the same time. Brand new and ancient, and the bluest blue ever. And the times we had, eh? Would've had. Never had. In your dreams they'll still be there.

The Doctor and Amy Pond. And the days that never came.

The cracks are closing. But they can't close properly 'til I'm on the other side... I don't belong here any more. I think I'll skip the rest of the rewind. I hate repeats.

Live well. Love Rory.

Bye-bye, Pond."

I don't cry at tv or movies. There are two exceptions: "Becoming Part II" from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and this show's series 1 finale "The Parting of the Ways." (And was subsequently an emotional wreck for days afterward.) But this scene, oh, I tear up and my heart breaks for Eleven.

Everything about this scene is just. so. perfect. The universe is saved, Amy's going to have her family back, Rory isn't going to be made of plastic, and all of it's possible because Eleven knows that he's going to be sealed off on the other side of the crack.

This isn't just about him dying and regenerating and becoming someone new. He is never going to have existed. He doesn't want to go, he doesn't want his story to end, but he accepts it with this quiet, heartbreaking dignity. And he doesn't just wait for it to happen; he actually enters the crack himself, because he knows there's no other way.

Eleven here is just so old and weary and it's absolutely heartbreaking that as he's facing his non-existence (because even though he has a plan, it's obvious he's not expecting it to work), all he can do is tell a fairy tale to the first person he ever met in his current body, even though she's asleep and isn't going remember him as real.

Matt Smith (and Steven Moffat) knocked it out of the park in this one. I think it's one of the most emotional scenes I've seen in Doctor Who (certainly one of the best scenes I've seen period), and I tear up every time I watch it.

And it's also the basis for an Eleven/Rose fic I have brewing in my head.

Rory was made of so. much. win. in this episode. Him shooting the Dalek? BRILLIANT. And I loved his little spastic dance when Amy starts running towards him.

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

*pets* This scene made me cry, too, although I cry at things more than you.

I love Eleven here, so much. Matt did an amazing job. Oh, and of course the Doctor would think that since she'll have Rory and her parents back, she won't need him anymore. He always thinks that. Silly Doctor.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/]

I DON'T UNDERSTAAAAAND. The thing was, I really thought I did -- but the more I tried to explain it to people, the less sense it began to make. I think it all works (sort of) except for River, though. Like, my understanding was that everything that happened in s5 no longer "really" happened the same way the Year That Wasn't didn't happen, but the players involved (Amy, Rory, the Doctor) all remembered it happening. EXCEPT that doesn't work because the Angel episodes were in the future for Big Bang River and she remembered the Big Bang and ugh ugh none of it makes sense MOFFAT WHY.

I found it enjoyable on a surfacey level though, like it was shiny and whatever, but thinking about it was a big pile of WTF, and unlike the sciency-WTF in RTD's finales, it's a WTF that affects the characters ad how they should behave/etc. How do Amy and Rory have two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT lives in their head? How does that even work? Will Amy have changed at all? We saw hints of change in Amy -- she tells Rory she loves him quite easily, and she is excited for the wedding -- she looks at her dress and grins. But is that because in this universe she was never second-guessing herself, or because she has all the subconscious affirmed Rory-love she developed over the course of s5? More importantly HOW DOES SHE REMEMBER STUFF THAT NEVER HAPPENED??? Ahhhhhhh!

Also I was sad because I thought Amelia would play a bigger role than she did, and I love Amelia so much, lol.

I still found it enjoyable, though, and I won't lie, I was like :D :D :D :D for the entire wedding.

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

The trick to enjoying it is to not try to understand. I've given up on trying to make the so-called S5 "arc" make sense, because it doesn't.

I LOOOOVED the wedding. :-D

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

I love this episode, so I've never allowed myself to think about whether it makes sense or not. I love the individual pieces well enough that I don't care if the whole plot is sort of... fantastic. In particular, like turtle_goose I love Eleven saying goodbye to little Amelia, the wedding scene where Amy remembers the Doctor, and Amy and Rory not letting the Doctor go off without them. I'm also quite fond of Amy and River conspiring to get rid of the Doctor's fez.

I love that there was no giant red reset button. My tolerance for that sort of thing vanished ages ago when Star Trek: Voyager seemed to use it every other episode. And I am extremely happy that Rory is traveling with the Doctor and Amy now. I think he's definitely more down-to-earth than Eleven or Amy.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Unfortunately I'd heard so much about the fez shooting before I saw it that it was a non-event for me. :D

But I really loved the wedding! Totally the best part of the episode for me.

And there was sort of a reset button. The universe exploded and then it didn't. XD

[kilodalton]

I didn't really understand or like this episode. I kept waiting for everything to come together in a beautiful, neat little package - and I just felt that plot devices were being thrown at me left and right for no particular reason other than to keep things moving in the script.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Oh, Doctor Who. What would you be without your plentiful plot holes? XD

[goldy-dollar.livejournal.com]

LOL THIS EPISODE.

I am so torn on it because on the one hand while it was enjoyable enough and I was happy that Amy and Rory got married, WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED??? IN THE WHOLE THING??? I DON'T KNOW.

And the "erased from time" makes no sense and for a while I briefly wondered if Cloen got erased from time in the alt!verse and it made me really sad. D:

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

That icon is perfect! XD

And I guess for a little while the entire earth and/or the universe was destroyed over and over again since the Doctor was never there to save it.

Actually, since the Doctor had something to do with life evolving on the planet in the first place, no one ever existed.

[elirrina.livejournal.com]

I've decided that River is Jack Harkness. If he can eventually become a giant face, why not a woman for a while? Nothing will convince me otherwise. Personal canon. Amen.


I love it! No wonder the Doctor is completely weirded out by her!

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

It makes perfect sense!

[mornea.livejournal.com]

It was rather an "empire strikes back" ending-- not really an ending. We're still in the middle of the story.
River can't be Jack, because she was floored ten did not know her. She can't be anyone before Ten's time.
I really am not feeling Amy as a companion either. There is something very unreal about her. Most of RTD's companions did feel like real people. Amy doesn't. I'm not sure why.

But Rory? Rory is awesomeness. The boy who waited. He definitely adds something.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

It was rather an "empire strikes back" ending-- not really an ending. We're still in the middle of the story.

Yeah, the whole Silence thing. Not that I'm caring much about it. :D

River can't be Jack, because she was floored ten did not know her. She can't be anyone before Ten's time.

Because she forgot she was a he back then! ;)

I really am not feeling Amy as a companion either. There is something very unreal about her. Most of RTD's companions did feel like real people. Amy doesn't. I'm not sure why.

I can't quite put my finger on why. It really is puzzling me. Moffat can write amazing characters when he wants - just look at Nancy from S1. I'm sort of thinking that it was intentional - that it was all meant to fit in the fairytale theme.

But Rory? Rory is awesomeness. The boy who waited. He definitely adds something.

I wouldn't mind seeing more about him in S6.

[sunnytyler001.livejournal.com]

RIVER IS JACK. TOTALLY!!! :D
(OMG, ELEVEN's FACE WHEN HE'LL FIND OUT XD)
And yes, you're right, Rory is the one who is really genuine. As you said, the other characters feel a bit cartoonish. Maybe that's why Rory is my favourite right now.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

RIVER IS JACK. TOTALLY!!! :D
(OMG, ELEVEN's FACE WHEN HE'LL FIND OUT XD)

PRICELESS. XD

And yes, you're right, Rory is the one who is really genuine. As you said, the other characters feel a bit cartoonish. Maybe that's why Rory is my favourite right now.

He really is the one I'm most interested in at the moment.

[nandamai]

This episode is a bit like Donnie Darko for me -- I understood it perfectly while watching, but if I try to explain it later, even to myself in my head, I have no clue what happened.

I really loved the centurion tale, though. Aw. Plus some people who saw him must have thought he was a ghost, and you know how I feel about that.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

This episode is a bit like Donnie Darko for me -- I understood it perfectly while watching, but if I try to explain it later, even to myself in my head, I have no clue what happened.

Welcome to Doctor Who! XD

I really loved the centurion tale, though. Aw.

That was very sweet, especially when he turned up as a security guard. Very aww.

Plus some people who saw him must have thought he was a ghost, and you know how I feel about that.

\o/