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Really??

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Took over Alaric's body!

Okay, that I knew about. :D

Also, Damon is both horrible/awesome. I'm torn about this. It could either be awesome or horrible. But he was pretty horrible last night, and I'm a stupid 12 year old fangirl about him.

I have to admit that's the biggest thing I scratch my head about. People seem pretty divided on Damon. Either he's a bad boy but he's still...good (not the right word, but--), or he's a disgusting rapist.

But he was pretty horrible last night, and I'm a stupid 12 year old fangirl about him.

Randomly butting in, BUT THIS COMFORTS ME GREATLY. idk I am not really a Damon fangirl, but I really enjoyed him last week? But this week, I wanted to light him on fire. I like Damon as a sociopath, but hate the way Damon treats women and hate even more the way many people in fandom make apologies for his behaviour. :|

*has feelings*

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LOL POOR

mrv3000 ALL SHE DID WAS POST A HAMSTER VIDEO.

We all have a lot of feelings.

I LOVE interesting characters. A character does not have to be good for me to love them or find them to be the best character on the show. I think the character of Damon has a great capacity to be interesting and ... if not redeemed than at least somewhat on that path.

I go back and forth on Damon. Sometimes I like him a lot and am like DAMON IS SO INTERESTING I THINK I WILL UNCHARACTERISTICALLY WATCH DAMON/ELENA FANVIDEOS ON YOUTUBE but then an episode like this happens and I'm just like :| :|.

The Andie thing is SO badly written (unless there is a final point we haven't seen yet?) because it gets the message so confused since at the same time we're being told Damon is one of our Big Damn Heroes and on Elena's must protect list and crucial to keeping her safe, etc. I *think* the point is that Damon's redemption isn't a straight line, that sometimes he will falter and go backwards. Where it bothers me though is that we're seeing it in the context of male violence against women - male SEXUAL violence against women and it's not really about Andie and what she's suffering, but about Damon's sadness and Damon's pain. And I get so disturbed and grossed out and want them to stop.

(Honestly, the entire way this show handles the Katherine plotline kind of bugs me in how they treat women. How many times do you have to have someone call her a bitch or a slut? I mean, really? Makes me twitchy.)

Ha omg, I ranted about this not so long ago. Lots of gendered language is always being thrown at Katherine. Even STEFAN has used the s-word a few times and usually Stefan is perfect in my eyes. But just. No. Katherine can be horrible and evil without being a "slut."

Note: I should say in Kevin and Julie's defence that I apply extra high standards to TVD BECAUSE it does such a good job with its female characters that I expect better (unlike the majority of TV where my expectations are so low they don't even make it off the ground).

MICHELLE I LOVE YOU DON'T DEFRIEND ME *clings*

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It's an "I'm eating popcorn, watching the show" reaction. XD

*SMOOCH*

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It's that it was honestly easier to watch the things he did to Vickie and Caroline early in season 1 because we knew as an audience that we were not supposed to feel bad or sympathize with him in these moments. We knew he was a bad guy and that he was doing Purely Evil Things to these girls.

YESSSS. Someone on my flist once asked me why I had a problem with Damon's actions and not Katherine's and for me the key is that Katherine is treated as a villain by the show AND everyone ON the show. She kills people and messes with Our Heroes and so gets locked in a tomb - she faces consequences for her behaviour whereas I am not entirely sure what sort of "consequences" Damon has faced yet for most of the things he's done. Besides maybe not having Elena's love. Someone recently posted a very interesting essay looking at how many of the people Damon has abused are now his friends - Alaric (who he killed, but is now Damon's bff), Jeremy, and even Caroline. If I was Caroline, I am pretty sure I would never want to be within two feet of Damon again.

It's really not that Damon does horrible things that's the problem (and there have been points this season where I've found his struggle to be a better person for Elena very compelling) but I need to see the show acknowledge that his actions are wrong. I need there to be consequences for his actions. And there really hasn't been any. Even back in S1, I remember watching the show and going WHY DOES DAMON DO ALL THIS BAD STUFF AND YET STILL GET TO ROAM AROUND FREELY I DON'T GET IT (the answer of course being 'because he is integral to the show's formula' but that's a frustrating answer).

Anyway.

I'm not willing for the show to take him, imply that his humanity is in full effect, and expect me to feel sympathy for him when he's tossing around his girlfriend while she's in her underwear. BECAUSE IT SKEEVES ME OUT. So please stop. It was too human, too realistic, and too gross.

YES. It's about him and his feelings, not about the people he's abusing. We haven't even been told the first thing about Andie except that she's a reporter. Her entire point has been so Damon can monologue about his feelings.

But from Stefan? Not something I was prepared for. And furthermore, these brothers sort of KNEW she was doing both of them, it's not like they aren't aware of what was going on, but Katherine is the one labeled a slut.

Ugh, the show has such a poor record of justifying violence against Katherine because she was an evil slut who broke hearts. I mean, I love Elijah, but even for HIM, his issue with Katherine ended up being because she was an evil slut who broke his heart. He didn't use the s-word, but it was still the crux of his issue with her.

I do love the "safest psychotic bitch in town" line though because Katherine gets to reclaim the gendered language and it is GLORIOUS. (Sometimes they do it so right.)

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XD

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HOW DARE IT.

OMG LOL FOREVER AT THAT VIDEO

IT'S HIM!

Your thoughts on this show are my favourite. I write a long meta about Stefan; you post a hamster video.

The trick is to not actually watch the show. XD

See, I've watched this show for a season and a half and still really have no idea what's going on. I know I like Damon, John and Elijah but beyond that, I don't even know half the characters' names. I just hope for Damon and John to be snarky (though they hate each other, so my dream of them being snarky together is mostly that). So your reviews actually help!

But really this is just to comment on your Wesley Snipes icon. :D

There are WAY too many characters! :D Seems like every week they're talking about someone I've never heard of before!

And I hope Wesley comes back some day. :D

I have a stupid, irrational love for most of Liz's exes. I'm not ashamed of the happy noises I made every time Dennis showed up last night. So, I'd happily welcome Wesley back as well. I've accepted the fact, I'm easily amused when it comes to this show. As I also make the same aforementioned noises whenever Brian Williams shows up too and he and Liz...most likely not going to happen, nor would I want it to.

So much about this show cracks me up. I love it when people like Brian Williams shows up too. XD

There was also that part where the good Stefan was controlling, insecure and jealous, which kind of made me really dislike him for the first time in my TVD experience? HUH.

Oh really? BAD STEFAN.

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abso-bloody-lutely! *high five*

Dude, IKR. I'm so confused about what I'm supposed to be feeling here. I'm not saying I condone Damon's compulsive/abusive ways (though he is kind of improving by resisting the urge to kill?), but Stefan showed a whole different side to him. Excessive self-righteousness really doesn't suit him. :| All in all, it's almost as if Damon's behaviour reflects the way he's treated to a T. He's been doing relatively well lately until this episode, hasn't he? Surely there was another way to persuade him that Elena's alliance with Elijah is the best way, especially the 2nd time she had to leave. I mean, angsting!Elijah in possession of the sole weapon that can kill him is bad news for everyone involved.

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Yeah, why Andie consciously expose her skin to Damon, right. :| I'm struggling to decide what to make of that relationship; she seems to know everything including the fact that Damon tends to compel her. Is she coming 'round willingly, then?

But it's not like people are actually including Damon in this Knowledge Party.

THIS. All Damon got in this episode were orders, orders, orders. He's proved that he's capable of rational thought more than once while everyone else proceeded to lose their shit. It's not like he's ~in the way~ for sheer fun of it; it's clear that his actions are out of concern for Elena - just like those of Stefan's. Therefore, the least Stefan could do is attempt a normal conversation before going all ME & ELENA VS. THE WORLD on Damon.

Tbh, I think Stefan was keeping Damon out of the loop simply to get back at him for what Damon said about being the one to keep Elena alive in the end... which means it probably rang true to Stefan on some level. It's like he wants to prove a point of being able to look after her all on his own, which, only the worst possible timing ever because of whom they're up against. "A house divided", etc. In any case, blatantly provoking Damon to an ugly fight by pushing just the right buttons was extremely petty of Stefan. HE doesn't respect Damon, not Elena, is the problem.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it. :)

I guess, for some reason, I expected Stefan to take the high-road again. And it let me down more than I could've imagined, apparently, that Stefan wasn't the bigger person then. I mean, I've never been Stefan's biggest fan, but at least he's usually pretty even keel. But I don't like the low-blow from him of all people.

Actually, that is what concerns me the most. It always seems so easy, so natural for Stefan to be the one with the fully-functioning moral compass and forgiveness in any given situation. It's how he's earned his reputation of "the good brother" both on the show and in fandom. However, his actions in this episode made me wonder how many times he took the high road / "forgave" while, deep down, harbouring resentment. Isn't it like being a walking time-bomb - how much can you take before you finally snap ~~at the most inconvenient moment~~? I mean, sure, Damon has a short fuse and will lash out when someone gets on his nerves, which is why he's considered 'horrible'... but at least he's not a hypocrite? :|

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Stefan's even convinced himself he's the Good Brother so watch him Be Good and Forgive Damon's Follies

LOL, THIS. SO MUCH.

Seriously, Stefan, if being the good guy 24/7 requires you to suppress such ~strong feelings, it's probably healthier not to.

But now I'm not sure if Stefan just said that in an attempt to get Damon to behave himself, instead of out of an actual desire to make good with Damon and say the one thing he's needed to for 150 years.

I mean, for all of Damon's faults, at least you pretty much 100% always know where you stand with Damon, because he's not really going to bottle up any hatred or resentment for you.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that taking into account only these character traits, someone who speaks their mind and offends in the process is a less malicious person than someone who acts nice to you only as a means to an end. I've had the misfortune to know someone like that... I broke it off with the person the day they slipped and I found out because how can you ever trust them?

DAMON IS GROSS.

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