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WHY IS SANSA/SANDOR A PAIRING?
Okay, normally even though I don't care for a pairing I can see why people would ship it. But this isn't even a matter of liking it - it's WHERE THE HELL IS IT? About the only time they've ever spent more than 10 seconds together was when he rescued her from the riot, and the way he talked to her/about her? Like a little kid. This is a book thing, isn't it? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS A BOOK THING AND I HAVEN'T GONE CRAZY. THIS PAIRING (that is apparently the biggest ship in all of fandom?) CONFUSES ME LIKE NOTHING HAS CONFUSED ME BEFORE. THINGS THAT MAKE MORE SENSE THAN THIS PAIRING:
- MOFFAT'S RIVER PLOT
- OTTER/HEDGEHOG MPREG
- JACOB'S TV REVIEWS
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But anyway, in the book he's often the only one who is 'nice' to her when she gets beaten up (matter of perspective when everyone else is enjoying her being abused of course), he confides in her about his backstory etc. People who ship it, imo, blow it out of proportion because he's still a violent adult and she's a kid. But yeah, in the books there is quite a bit of interaction.
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My sources (f!s, who never lies) says yes. XD
But anyway, in the book he's often the only one who is 'nice' to her when she gets beaten up (matter of perspective when everyone else is enjoying her being abused of course), he confides in her about his backstory etc. People who ship it, imo, blow it out of proportion because he's still a violent adult and she's a kid. But yeah, in the books there is quite a bit of interaction.
Oh dear. Yeah, that's all I've got.
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Besides there's more than enough other stuff going on that has nothing to do with shipping (or only in the sense of how much trouble it's caused for Westeros) so I focus on that.
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hahha. I do ship Jaime/Brienne even though this IS GRRM and I am dubious that both characters will survive the series... and Jon/Sansa in a "it'll never happen in canon, but I read fic because I think it's a really interesting potential dynamic" kind of way.
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Like the "little bird" thing in the show makes no sense, but in the books he's been calling her that for a while because she's a "pretty little caged thing that repeats the pretty words shes told" (I quote is approximate because I don't pore over these scenes like the shippers do). And he's the first one to try and open her eyes to how bad the world was, that she *was* a caged thing, long before it actually came crashing down. I had to do a double take when they threw it into the show since it makes no sense without the explanation why he calls her that.
So yeah, it's a book thing, even if it's one I don't really get myself.
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In the show they seem barely aware of each other.
Like the "little bird" thing in the show makes no sense, but in the books he's been calling her that for a while because she's a "pretty little caged thing that repeats the pretty words shes told" (I quote is approximate because I don't pore over these scenes like the shippers do). And he's the first one to try and open her eyes to how bad the world was, that she *was* a caged thing, long before it actually came crashing down. I had to do a double take when they threw it into the show since it makes no sense without the explanation why he calls her that.
As it was it seemed a pretty pitying thing to call her rather than a term of endearment. At least that's how it struck me when I saw it.
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It's even like that in the book, imo. Like... he obviously sees her as this pretty and fragile OBJECT that needs to be protected. It's not about her as an actual person, but she's this ideal of a lady who needs his protection.
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Pitying metaphors do not justify turning it into a romantic ship though tbqh. I mean I'm not surprised, but oh fandom.
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I ONLY WATCH THE SHOW AND I ALREADY KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE
where's that book quote where he talks about how he wishes he had "fucked her bloody" that's a good one
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~~~~~*Sansan
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Sounds like an awesome pairing to me!
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whyyyyyyyy
whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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I mean, to be fair, he was probably saying that because he's trying to get... a certain person he is traveling with at the time (lol don't want to spoil you) to kill him.
BUT IT'S STILL A FUCKED UP THING TO SAY.
And in the scene he's referring to, there is DEFINITELY an undertone of sexual violence and an overtone of intimidation
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NOPE. It is a scene that is all about intimidation and control and the power that Sandor has over her. UGH.
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Basically people like it because Sandor is ~misunderstood~. He's had a shitty life and he acts all gruff, but he is one of like 2 people in King's Landing (the other person being Tyrion) not actively trying to harm Sansa and he does some little things to help her out. Sandor claims he doesn't want to be a knight and has all these issues about knights and such because his batshit crazy older brother is a knight. But like he obviously still has these weird ideals about it and he sees Sansa as this fragile and pretty little thing to be protected and it feeds into his knight/lady weirdness.
And because of that people feel cool shipping Sansa (who is ~12 in the books) with a grown ass man (Sandor is ~29 in the books). IDEK.
SANSA IS OBVIOUSLY SUPER FUCKED UP. LIKE SHE IS NOT IN THE RIGHT HEADSPACE FOR ANYTHING. She obviously latches onto him and builds him up as a dark hero in her mind because she is alone and without friends and being abused and he is basically the ONLY one who is trying to help her. It's super messed up. And Sandor doesn't really know Sansa. He just loves this ideal he has of her.
ETA: Oh and I wouldn't have as much of an issue with it if SanSan shippers just were upfront about what a fucked up ship it is. I've shipped twisted things before. It's cool. BUT THEY ROMANTICIZE IT. And there is a lot of fanart and fic of them being a happy family and people talk about how he is going to be her ~protector~ and S;LKDFJD;SLKFJDS;LKJFSLKD I HATE EVERYTHING.
It's a really popular pairing in some sections of fandom... like most of lj and tumblr, for instance. But ONTD is pretty anti-SanSan. So there's that.
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Oh good grief, it's a woobie situation, isn't it? I should have known. It's often the only way Super Ultra Dicks ever become part of a ship.
Sounds like Sansa woobied him as well, yes?
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Then there's the fact that like you said he's one of the only people not actively trying to hurt Sansa, one of the only people in her chapters that comes off as a completely vile waste of human life (ymmv),but I just don't get how them makes them shippable. It's pretty much Stockholm Syndrome, the only reason she doesn't latch onto Tyrion that way is because he a Lannister and a dwarf.
And Sandor has more chemistry with Arya. not romance chemistry but WAY ore interesting interactions chemistry.
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He is one of my least favorite characters just because I cannot deal with the way that fandom interacts with him.
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I mean, it's kind of a book thing in that they have more interaction in the books but all that interaction is still creepy as fuck.
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They've got quite a complicated relationship... To tell you the truth, GRRM is OBSESSED with Beauty & the Beast and Sansan is a proof of it XD
In the books Sandor tries to protect Sansa in his very own way: he tries to open her eyes to the cruelty of the world by telling her his own story (Petyr does that on the TV show), by telling her how corrupted the knights are, ... They've got quite a few scenes together in the books, very powerful scenes with Sandor telling her how wicked and cruel and pitiless the world is. i think it's a shame they didn't keep them. I mean all the main characters kept their companions: only Sansa's is being ignored.
I won't spoil you for the rest... even if HBO is most likely going to "forget" about it XD
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I don't even remember him interacting much with Sansa. :D
And I sort of wish they would have kept that in. So far Sansa just isn't all that interesting to me. If she had some sort of character development like becoming disillusioned with knights and fairy tales, that would be more interesting. Somehow I still doubt I'd ship them though. :D
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Though now in show!verse I am way shipping them, even with my knowledge of what happens with Shae later.
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I truly believe they will forget/ignore what made me think there might be more for them in the future. Anyway, Sandor is 28 in the books. Here, he's at least 40 XD So, yeah, I'd be happy if they were just friends/ Sandor working for her.
So far Sansa just isn't all that interesting to me. If she had some sort of character development like becoming disillusioned with knights and fairy tales, that would be more interesting.
YES YES YES!!! That's what happens in the books!!! And that's why Sansan is so interresting and SO IMPORTANT for her character. In the beginning, she believes in true knights and in knighthood and she believes everything is beautiful and everyone is as honourable as her father. And Sandor is the first to warn her and tells her how are the knights really. And how he hates them and refuses to be a knight because his brother is a knight and he's a monster. And afterwards, when Joffrey's knights beat her she's all: "The Hound hates the knights. He's right, I hate them too"
By "forgetting" this relationship of hers, they totally forgot about her own character development and that's a shame.
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