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Okay, I did actually watch the most recent episode of SG-1. Saw a bunch of positive posts on my flist beforehand from east coasters/mid-states. I wasn't going to post about it but apparently there was controversy in it. Plus I've just eaten about about 10 Hershey's minis and am feeling rather spazzy.

Well, the overall episode was okay, I thought. Haven't had watched an ep of SG-1 in a while and while I was *slightly* lost, it was nothing I couldn't get over. Some chick giving Daniel coordinates for something. Sheppard and Cameron waving lemons around. Sam...what was Sam doing again? And Teal'c was off having some stoic alone time.

I can't decide if it was a nice nod to a 2nd season ep or backtracking - they've used the whole black hole thing before, haven't they? Season...7 maybe? 5? Something. Speaking of S5, that shot of releasing the stargate, was that me or was that a re-matted scene from that one episode? Not sure since I didn't haul out the DVDs and haven't watched that ep in years. Wait...is that when they did the black hole thing as well? And they blew up a sun?

ANYWAY, I wasn't all bouncy about the episode. Not to say it was horrible. I just get this "been there, done that" with it, which is probably why I don't watch the show anymore. And why I don't keep watching *and* posting about it, because I have no desire to rain on anyone's parade. Nothing worse than a bitter fan who can't move on. I'm happy if people love it.

So. Controversy. The lemon.

I've only ever watched a couple of episodes of SGA, so I'm not sure of the dynamics between Sheppard and McKay other than the fact that they're a major pairing in fandom. Kinda puts a damper on the penguin sex if Sheppard's been carrying around Rodney repellent all along, eh?

Thing is, I could see Jack O'Neill totally getting away with something like that. Probably because he already had this sort of "fuck off" attitude towards people that annoyed him. But while he'd wave it around, he'd also be completely in control of said lemon and would never actually let anyone get hurt by it.

So are people getting upset that even though Sheppard didn't try and actually implement the food allergy, he shouldn't have joked about it?

Or was there a fear that Sheppard or Cameron would have said bye-bye to relationships, careers and their lives so that they could take Rodney down with a "When life gives you lemons, you die, bitch!"?

Or maybe McKay could have fallen on one of the guys and squishing the lemon? I suppose that's possible. Of course, take sex out of the mix and your percentages drop well below death by Wraith, Ori or even kiss by Sam.

Hmm. Has anyone actually checked on Pete lately?

ETA: *FLAILS* I knew I had seen that commander dude before! He was the jerk fiance in The Wedding Singer!

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So. Controversy. The lemon.

Most people who are OK with it (including myself) are equating it to pigtail pulling and also general guyish jackassery. I am a bit baffled as to why people are making such a fuss.

I liked the episode, but mostly because a) Daniel got to go to Atlantis; b) Daniel got to bitch at the Ascended, something I'm sure he's wanted to do for awhile; and c) Sheppard got to interact with Mitchell, which I liked. Beyond that? Eh. Oh, d) they blew up both an Orii ship and a Wraith ship at the same time, which while silly was also fun.

But while he'd wave it around, he'd also be completely in control of said lemon and would never actually let anyone get hurt by it.

Hahahahahahaha!

I think people are upset about it in the same way people get upset about Jack being "mean" to Daniel. I have a theory that Daniel (and by the same analogy, Rodney) is (in a wide generalization, not on an individual basis) SG fandom's Mary Sue. Daniel (and Rodney) were/are the awkward, problematic outsiders who challenge authority but win over and become loved by the heroes, and in fact become heroes themselves. So when Daniel/Rodney are threatened, or perceived to be threatened, especially by the people who are suposed to love/respect/protect them, I think the fans for whom those characters are a conscious or unconscious self-insert feel hurt.

and also general guyish jackassery.

Oh, totally. I mean *military* guys. Come on. This is so totally mild.

a) Daniel got to go to Atlantis;

That was cute how he was all excited.

c) Sheppard got to interact with Mitchell, which I liked.

They seemed like two peas in a pod. Those two would totally hang out if they weren't across the universe from each other. :D

Oh, you *know* Jack can handle his citrus. ;)

I have a theory that Daniel (and by the same analogy, Rodney) is (in a wide generalization, not on an individual basis) SG fandom's Mary Sue. Daniel (and Rodney) were/are the awkward, problematic outsiders who challenge authority but win over and become loved by the heroes, and in fact become heroes themselves.

Hmm. Could easily be. Of course, out of SG-1 I most identified with Jack but there you go.

So when Daniel/Rodney are threatened, or perceived to be threatened, especially by the people who are suposed to love/respect/protect them, I think the fans for whom those characters are a conscious or unconscious self-insert feel hurt.

Good point. I mean, I always thought the "Jack's mean to Daniel" thing to be simply about pairing preference. But it could instead be a surrogate thing. Not that *everyone* is like that. God no.

Yes, he's turned it into an art for real.

My thought watching that ep was that the relationship and interaction we see between Rodney and Sheppard every week on Atlantis was not what was shown. There relationship always reminds me more of the Jack/Daniel relationship from the early seasons of SG-1.

That could also be why people were kinda cranky about it. Too OOC?

Yeah. Especially after this weekend's ep where Sheppard is talking about how his team is like family to him and he'd die for any of them.