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So I was going through Netflix, deciding that I'd like some One DVDs. And then I ran across this:
Dr. Who and the Daleks
I *never* hear about this movie. I mean, even the Eight movie I heard people talking about before I saw it. Is this something that's pretty well dismissed outright? Not only does it sound like the same plot from the "The Daleks" but the Doctor's an Earth scientist? And Barbara's his granddaughter in addition to Susan? Why would someone feel the need to make this movie using the same plot but with those changes? o_O
Dr. Who and the Daleks
I *never* hear about this movie. I mean, even the Eight movie I heard people talking about before I saw it. Is this something that's pretty well dismissed outright? Not only does it sound like the same plot from the "The Daleks" but the Doctor's an Earth scientist? And Barbara's his granddaughter in addition to Susan? Why would someone feel the need to make this movie using the same plot but with those changes? o_O
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As I understand it, the story in a nutshell is that some guys from Hammer Films (not under the auspices of the actual company, but some of the same people, which is also where Cushing came in) said "Hey, lots of people are watching this thing. Let's make a theatrical release movie or two and cash in!"
They treated them as standalone movies, and altered things according to what they thought would be most marketable in that medium. There was never even a pretense of tying them to the series, which I think is why fans ignore them.
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Of course, that didn't seem to stop the Eight movie, with its acid-spitting Master and half-human Doctor. :D
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Even with all that, tho, they were ostensibly trying to springboard from series continuity. (And writers of the BBC imprint novels actually did manage to retcon both those major weirdnesses in a reasonably plausible manner, much to my astonishment.) The people making the Cushing movies just thought of them like a different adaptation of the same material.
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It just doesn't work with the Doctor being an Earth scientist.
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Oh really? I think I've heard you mention the Master one before - something about the acid spitting was picked up by a different non-Time Lord body...right? How'd they do the half-human thing?
The people making the Cushing movies just thought of them like a different adaptation of the same material.
Hmm. I'm suddenly itching to write "Doctor Who: The Musical." :D
*sings*
Doctor: I am the Doctor of the TARDIS ship!
K-9: And a right good Doctor, too!
Doctor: You're very, very good, and be it understood, I command a right good crew.
K-9: I'm very, very good, and be it understood, you command a right good crew...
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And he is adorable, isn't he? Such a spastic nerd. *snickers*
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Well, that wasn't specifically addressed. :-) But in the first of the BBC novels, The Eight Doctors, there's this whole backstory thing with the Master buying this wormlike creature that he can store his consciousness in if he's killed. The he goes and gets himself executed by the Daleks on purpose, and makes the "last request" to have the Doctor transport his remains back to Gallifrey. All for the purpose of stealing the Doctor's body and remaining regenerations, of course. And then the TVM weirdness ensues.
The goo-spitting is implied to be a side effect of the worm-critter, and is wisely not gotten into any deeper than that. ;-)
How'd they do the half-human thing?
In a nutshell, only Eight is half human. It's enormously complicated and headache-inducing, but that's what it boils down to.
It has to do with a plot issue throughout the novels, with a group called Faction Paradox playing taffy-pull with time (using stolen Time Lord tech) until, among other things, the Doctor has multiple histories. Instead of alternate realities being separate universes, they're strands that get crossed and tangled with each other within one universe.
And the one that's active/followed/"real"/whatever for most of the Eight books is one in which the Doctor was born of a human mother. Even though he knows -- at least a lot of the time -- that this wasn't the case before.
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Okay, I knew it had *something* to do with a worm or something. Heh heh.
In a nutshell, only Eight is half human. It's enormously complicated and headache-inducing, but that's what it boils down to.
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WHAT?
It has to do with a plot issue throughout the novels, with a group called Faction Paradox playing taffy-pull with time (using stolen Time Lord tech) until, among other things, the Doctor has multiple histories. Instead of alternate realities being separate universes, they're strands that get crossed and tangled with each other within one universe.
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WHAT?
And the one that's active/followed/"real"/whatever for most of the Eight books is one in which the Doctor was born of a human mother. Even though he knows -- at least a lot of the time -- that this wasn't the case before.
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WHAT??
Okay, that's some *serious* crack right there. o_O
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Okay, that's some *serious* crack right there. o_O
:: dies laughing ::
Well, yeah. See, there are a few very important points to remember:
1. There's a solid contingent of Who fans who are endlessly fascinated by the theoretical weirdnesses of time travel and paradoxes and such. (Even more so than the one I married. Which is saying quite a bit. And it's actually always been a minor pet interest of mine too.)
2. That contingent is not-too-shabbily represented among the authors of the novels, which...
3. ...are a medium in which one can get into some seriously brilliant temporally-twisted crack in a way that's completely impossible on TV. And is also not very well served by my attempt at a concise explanation.
My guess is the whole schmear wouldn't really be your cup of tea, what with your paradox-induced headaches. *wry g* But it really does get wicked cool sometimes.
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3. I believe it. Some things you just *can't* do on TV that work great in print.
My guess is the whole schmear wouldn't really be your cup of tea, what with your paradox-induced headaches. *wry g* But it really does get wicked cool sometimes.
Probably not. :D What I love is when you've got something wickedly smart happening that's totaly unexpected and completely wacked-out, BUT is still plausible.
But right now I'm thinking that's a *hell* of a long way to go just to explain away the half-human thing. :D
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*chuckle* Well, it arguably started with that, but that's not all it's about. It's actually a little bit chicken-and-egg -- I don't think the half-human thing is mentioned until some of the paradox plot threads are well underway. It could just as easily have been "Hey, we have all this stuff going on, it could explain that *$(&# half-human thing!"
It's more likely they were some pet ideas of the writers involved. Faction Paradox has certainly taken on a life of its own, to the extent that Big Finish spun its off as its own audio series.
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*laughs*
It's more likely they were some pet ideas of the writers involved. Faction Paradox has certainly taken on a life of its own, to the extent that Big Finish spun its off as its own audio series.
Wow! I'm beginning to see why there's a lot of "pick your own canon" about Who.
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You betcha. Self-preservation of what few marbles we have left...
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the marathon was just some key episodes over the last season. I had seen a few of them.
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You're allowed to say this in DW circles? THANK GOD. Boring as hell.
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I can only compare this experience as something similar to someone who has only seen the "Buffy" film and has never seen the TV show. Two different creatures, no real relation.
You can watch the Cushing Dalek movies, but don't think of them as having anything to do with the TV show. Especially not that bumbling cop guy! *shudders*
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And that's probably a good analogy - the Buffy movie and TV show. At least from what I'm gathering.
I may watch the movies someday, just out of curiosity.