Nope!

[mrv3000]

Okay, no. Sorry. Someone *had* to have mentioned this already. (Someone's going to point me to where they already said this in my journal, aren't they?) (Yes, I'm still obsessed with a certain something from Last of the Time Lords.)



Right. Jack just cannot be the Face of Boe. Why? Because the Doctor did not freak the hell out when running into Boe in S1, S2, and S3. Forget that Jack's become a giant head in a jar, he's *still* a "fixed point" of wrongness. The Doctor's Time Lord senses would have had him sprinting away so fast. But even if the Doctor had ignored it in S1, chalking it up to Boe being mysterious and strange and he just was going to avoid him, thanks, the Doctor would have figured it out in S2, having *just* ditched Jack on the game station for exactly that reason. Because the Doctor is, you know, SMART.

*wanders off muttering*

Comments

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

I mentioned it, but I'm not sure I mentioned it in your journal. I was commenting all over the place right after the finale, and I have no idea who I said it to anymore. :-)

Of course, someone then replied that if Jack/Boe can die, then he's no longer a "Fact"... I don't understaaaaannd.....

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I mentioned it, but I'm not sure I mentioned it in your journal. I was commenting all over the place right after the finale, and I have no idea who I said it to anymore. :-)

KNEW it had to have been brought up.

I could have even read it from you, but so much commenting! It's a blur.

Of course, someone then replied that if Jack/Boe can die, then he's no longer a "Fact"... I don't understaaaaannd.....

But...

Hmmm. I think I understand what they're getting at. That the idea is that something has *yet to happen,* where Jack still lives for millions of years, but can now die. Something that will change his state.

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

Hmmm. I think I understand what they're getting at. That the idea is that something has *yet to happen,* where Jack still lives for millions of years, but can now die. Something that will change his state.

Huh. *scratches head* I suppose that could work, the Doctor or something else somehow changing his Factness so that he's just very very long-lived. However, are RTD et al. putting this much thought into it? Somehow I doubt it. (RTD: "Wouldn't this be so cool? It'd blow the fans minds!!!" Julie: "Yes! Do it!")

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I kinda think it all boils down to your last exchange. :D

[biases.livejournal.com]

Perhaps TURNING INTO A GIANT FACE changed his genetic makeup and thus allowed him to die, making him not a fixed point in time?

I have no idea, I'm still disturbed over the thought of wonderful, vital Jack, turning into a big ol' head in a jar.

I STILL LOVE YOU JACK!

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

*snickers* We all still love Jack! In a jar or not in a jar!

[asgaja.livejournal.com]

I've actually been waiting since LotTL aired for a wank concerning this, it's yet to appear and I don't know if I'm happy or sad that it hasn't. Hell I'm not even sure if I've digested that whole Jack = Boe thing yet. My brain's still in shock about it and therefore denies it bluntly.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I've heard of a few people having a lot of "do not want" over it, but for the most part, I think people have just been scratching their heads about it. And then the denial. :D

[asgaja.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I mean, I would REALLY like a good explanation as to just HOW the hell that thing even works. Maybe we should hunt down RTD and ask him what he was thinking, IF he was thinking at all. -_-''

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

IF he was thinking at all. -_-''

Kinda thinking you've got the key right there...

[asgaja.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I was actually really disappointed when the whole Jack=Boe thing wasn't even mentioned in the Confidential part that followed. Seriously, no one really cared THAT much about how they made the Doctor into Tinkerbell. All I could think was 'WTF WTF WTF' and yet there wasn't even a hint of explanation.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

They really need to do two separate Confidentials - the tech version and the writer's version.

[jennsthedevil.livejournal.com]

I can't wrap my mind around the Jack = Boe thing, so I've decided to refuse to accept it. It didn't happen. It won't happen. It's a non-fact.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Oooh! Non-fact! Sorta like not-tea. I like it. :D

[fiona-conn.livejournal.com]

As I pointed out someone who commented on this in your LJ before, maybe it was a pun? Being that he was a poster, perhaps it was written, "Face of Beau", which rhymes with "Boe". *Grin*

[fiona-conn.livejournal.com]

Sorry, I meant "poster boy". *Snickers* But I can just as easily imagine Jack being a poster. =P

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

*snickers* I actually *like* the coincidence thing a whole heck of a lot. It would be hysterical to see Jack and Boe in the same place next series, and the Doctor wigging out. :D

[velvet4269.livejournal.com]

Somewhat off topic, but still relating to TLotTL:

Neil Gaiman posted his reaction to the episode in his blog. I thought you'd be amused.

Did Maddy like the Doctor Who Season Finale?

She really did. She even cried a little when the master died (I thought the death was great but was still a bit grumpy that my prediction that the master would be shot by his wife had come true). She liked it more than I did, really. I thought it was a bit of a curate's egg (in the erroneous sense of Good In Parts, not in the actual sense of All Rotten) but I would forgive a lot for John Simm's performance as the Master, which I loved, especially following Derek Jacobi's, which I loved in a very different way. And if it wasn't Blink or Human Nature, it still had lots of things I liked, and Utopia and The Sound of Drums were both enormous fun. Even if the Toclafane plot was the Cybermen plot of the season two end, and was also the Dalek plot of the Season one end. I hope that season four won't end with the discovery that somehow human brains are fuelling the New Mechanoids. And the least said about the mini-Doctor in the cage and the magic saying of the name that makes it all better, the better...... .

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

HAR!!!

[kb91.livejournal.com]

I memmed this entry last week, simply because it was such a well reasoned argument as to why Jack can't be the Face. I think you'll like it, too!

http://swordznsorcery.livejournal.com/6697.html

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Yeah, there just really isn't any *groundwork* laid for this. I swear they came up with this on the spur of the moment.

[jedi_of_urth]

Yeah, I can't make it all work either, but mostly, I just don't like it. I think it's bad storytelling since there's plenty of Torchwood and maybe Jack back on DW sometimes to go, knowing that he can't die at all takes something away from it. I went back and looked at the scenes in NE and well, it doesn't make any sesne with Jack = Boe. "We'll meant again for the third time, for the last time"? How many times do you figure those two have met over the years.

I really need to make a master list of the case for and against Jack and Face of Boe, I'm pretty sure I'd come down on the anti side in evidence as well as gut reaction.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

The only thing I can think of with that whole "third time for the last time" thing is that at some point in the future, the Doctor's gonna have to have a talk with Jack. All about how he can't reveal who he is in New Earth (or the other times), otherwise timelines will get all screwed up.

[jedi_of_urth]

See, I really hate to think of Jack as Billy or Kathy (also come to think of it, did everyone in that episode have a 'y' at the end of their name? Kathy, Billy, Sally, Larry) at the end of his life, he has to keep going because he has a specific part to play...and it's not even a very useful one. I didn't like it in Blink anyway and at least that was useful and didn't leave Jack of all people to exist for billions of years as a head in a jar.

[starlightmoonla.livejournal.com]

I really need to have another episode that explains the whole going from human into essentially a big face. I try not to think about it too much only because then I get into this whole mess about ... this can't really be?

I think I can understand the whole Doctor now knowing about the Face of Boe and his situation since it was in the Doctor's past and, for at least the first part of series 1, The Doctor didn't know about Jack.

But yeah if the crew is sticking to this story I, personally, need another episode that discusses how the transformation takes place and why the Doctor didn't realize it sooner.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I really need to have another episode that explains the whole going from human into essentially a big face.

Totally! I seriously doubt we'll get one, but it'd be nice.

I think I can understand the whole Doctor now knowing about the Face of Boe and his situation since it was in the Doctor's past and, for at least the first part of series 1, The Doctor didn't know about Jack.

Yeah, that was totally the case in S1. And maybe...the Doctor just thought that Boe was also this "fixed point" and never made the connection? Still seems a bit sloppy though.