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I made a comment in my other post that I don't think I've ever been actually stunned by a DW episode before. Well and truly STUNNED. This episode did it. It was just...WOW. Best "Doctor-lite" episode of all 4 series. By FAR.

I loved seeing the Doctor and Donna having a good time in some alien bazaar. But you know what it means when people are having a good time on this show, don't you? You don't? Where've you been for the last 4 years?

Alien lattes! Huzzah!
Pardon me a moment.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(What? It's been two frickin years since this last happened!)
So the premise of the story is a "what if" scenario. What if Donna turned right instead of left? What if she never met the Doctor? What if what if what if? It's not an original concept, but it's just GREAT to watch here.

See, here's your first problem. If Donna's not a temp, then she can't be Super Temp^TM and the whole thing goes to hell.
They actually killed off the Doctor! As in...KILLED. No regeneration. Nada. It goes with the notion of the Master (and just about every Doctor incarnation) having to consciously regenerate. (The TV movie went against this, having the Doctor regenerate spontaneously after being dead a while. Any other regenerations? I can't remember them all off the top of my head.)

Why do I find it a wee bit unnerving that the Doctor could actually be taken out if something happened really fast? ETA: Erm...really bad thought here. He was in a really bad place at that moment. Maybe he simply chose not to regenerate. :(
ROSE! The first thing I noticed about her was how worn she looks. Haunted, almost. Dark circles under the eyes, much thinner... I'm thinking life hasn't been a never-ending picnic with puppydogs and rainbows for her in the alt!verse.

She's obviously been coming to this world to warn the Doctor long before this time mixup, since we saw her in "Partners in Crime." Man, she was probably around during the real "The Runaway Bride" too.
I can't believe they killed off EVERYONE in this episode! Everyone but Donna and Rose was killed! The Doctor, Martha, Sarah Jane, Gwen, Ianto...Jack got sent to the Sontaran home world, where he's undoubtedly started to hone skills in military-style sex.

People dying? PFFFT. Donna's taking the frog mouse pad, dammit! :D
Rose keeps popping in and out of Donna's life, taking on a very unfamiliar role for her character: she knows everything (and I mean everything) but she's keeping Donna and the audience in the dark. When last we saw Rose, the character was used as sort of the audience's eyes (like the companion role in general tends to be), so this was a bit jarring. She warns Donna to leave town for Christmas, knowing London will be destroyed. Of course, she doesn't say London will be destroyed – doesn't try to alter events. She's starting to sound a bit like the Doctor.

Still Rose, but different.
We're shown just how quickly the world can get turned upside down after London is destroyed. Donna and her family are alive, but they're refugees, living in a cramped house on a kitchen floor. Military rule and eventually labor camps for non-citizens.

Very bleak. For a minute there I was really worried about Sylvia with her depression. Bleak, bleak, bleak.
"Man in a suit. Tall, thin man. Great hair. Some...really great hair." HA!! *LOVES*

Rose: [zones out over the hair]
Donna: Sorry, do you need a minute?
"He needed someone to stop him, and that was you. You saved his life." Which brings it all back to "The Runaway Bride." And I'd agree – the Doctor was in a bad place back then having just lost Rose, and Donna yelled at him to snap him out of it.

Seemed like she was barely getting through to him back then, but it was enough to save his life.
Wow, the more Rose talks, the more she sounds just like the Doctor, right down to the "Sorry. I'm so sorry." in telling Donna she's going to die, telling people not to salute her, and refusing to tell anyone her name.
I've missed Rose's smile. Those were two things that used to go hand-in-hand: Rose and her smile. And we finally get to see it 30 minutes in when Donna's reacting to the TARDIS for the first time.

I'd like to see Rose smiling a lot more, please.
Can I just say that Rose stroking the TARDIS and the TARDIS responding to her – I LOVE it.

[snuffles]
Again with the Doctor likeness. Donna asks about Rose and the Doctor, and Rose sidesteps the question, just like the Doctor.

Boy, between the two of them...
Donna: So are you two actually together?
Doctor: Erm...
Rose: Well...
Doctor: Um...
Rose: Hmm...
Doctor and Rose: [look at each other, grin and skip off out the door holding hands]
Donna: What the HELL was that??
Okay, good. On second watching I picked up on the fact that Rose actually asked Donna if she wanted to see the bug, and after an initial no, she said yes. It seemed kind of a pointless and cruel thing to force Donna to do otherwise. Glad it wasn't a forcing thing.

Hold still, there Donna! You got snagged on one of the Pertwee-era props!
ACK! FORSHADOWING OF DOOM! Well, that's barely forshadowing. That's like blazing neon lights of "DONNA WILL DIE IN THE FINALE!" You have to wonder though. There's going to be something funny happening, the way Rose was talking about time bending around Donna from the day she was born.
My jaw literally dropped when Donna stepped in front of the truck. I was STUNNED.

God, she really will probably wind up sacrificing herself to save the universe in the finale, won't she? I still can't believe that they'd actually kill a companion off permanently. [ignores Adric]
How clueless am I? "Bad Wolf" never even crossed my mind when Rose was whispering those two words. I simply thought "Rose Tyler." But "Rose Tyler" would have translated to "Get your butt down here already, it's time for some hair ruffling." But "Bad Wolf" accompanied with "a warning" translates to "OMFG WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE."

Fantastic expression! Fear, panic and also an undercurrent of emotions because he knows exactly who Donna talked to.
Bad Wolf everywhere! Which means that BadWolf!Rose saw all this and did something about it way back in TPotW. TRIPPY. I thought I couldn't be any more stunned after Donna stepped in front of the truck, but this pushed me over the edge. I was actually shaking! I seriously cannot remember a single time where a TV show or movie has done that to me! OMG.

Okay, so maybe we should have been paying a liiiitle more attention when Bad Wolf showed up in places like Gridlock and in Torchwood. :D

They even changed the plating above the door! (It's Bad Wolf backwards to reflect out.) And of course the Cloister Bell, which as we all know is Very Very Bad with an extra Side of Bad. Yeah, they're gearing up for one hell of a finale.

[flops]

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OMG, how much love to the production team for their attention to detail? The whole Bad Wolf sequence wouldn't have been so visually stunning if they hadn't done it right.

OMG SO MUCH LOVE FOR THIS EPISODE.

OMG, how much love to the production team for their attention to detail? The whole Bad Wolf sequence wouldn't have been so visually stunning if they hadn't done it right.

I know! I loved the little detail above the door!

OMG SO MUCH LOVE FOR THIS EPISODE.

YES.

Why do I find it a wee bit unnerving that the Doctor could actually be taken out if something happened really fast?

I'm not convinced that this is what happened. I just think he didn't care enough to get out of there in time. I.e., he was that depressed, because it was right after he lost Rose, and Donna wasn't there to snap him out of it.

I've missed Rose's smile.

Yes. So much.

God, she really will probably wind up sacrificing herself to save the universe in the finale, won't she? I still can't believe that they'd actually kill a companion off permanently. [ignores Adric]

I hope not. That would suck so much.

How clueless am I? "Bad Wolf" never even crossed my mind when Rose was whispering those two words. I simply thought "Rose Tyler."

Not to worry, you're not the only clueless one. I hoped that Bad Wolf would have a part of this series, but I didn't think it'd actually happen until it did. OMG.

But "Bad Wolf" accompanied with "a warning" translates to "OMFG WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE."

*snerk* So true. Especially when combined with the cloister bell and the red light of dooooooooom.

I'm not convinced that this is what happened. I just think he didn't care enough to get out of there in time. I.e., he was that depressed, because it was right after he lost Rose, and Donna wasn't there to snap him out of it.

Okay, I had *just* snuck in an edit to that effect. You know...man. I don't like to think that he would have done that, but the guy seriously could have gotten into a "fuck it all" state without Donna there. Just look at him in the Dalek episode. It really was there under the surface for a while.

Not to worry, you're not the only clueless one. I hoped that Bad Wolf would have a part of this series, but I didn't think it'd actually happen until it did. OMG.

I really didn't think Bad Wolf would be part of it. :D

*snerk* So true. Especially when combined with the cloister bell and the red light of dooooooooom.

Uh huh!

I think I'm the only Rose lover out there that is rather blah about this episode. It just seemed like a let down :hangs head: I'm a bad Rose fangirl.

...

I...I don't know what to say to that.

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Why do I find it a wee bit unnerving that the Doctor could actually be taken out if something happened really fast?

I don't think it was the speed of the event that did it. I think what really happened is that without Donna there to snap him out of it, he just *let* himself die--we never actually saw a Time Lord choose to regenerate, but by the Master's example they can choose *not* to. I think that's what probably happened. But the UNIT guy would've had no way of knowing that, so did the best he could explaining it with the information he had.

ETA: Er, yeah. What

beck_liz said. Which I could've, y'know, *read* before I decided to answer myself and wound up parroting her like the monster from "Midnight." *g*

Edited 2008-06-22 02:10 (UTC)

Well, I had the same thought and was editing my post as you guys were commenting. :D

It's really, really dark and I don't really like the notion, but it does make sense. He was just so broken at that point that I could see it. :(

Donna: So are you two actually together?
Doctor: Erm...
Rose: Well...
Doctor: Um...
Rose: Hmm...
Doctor and Rose: [look at each other, grin and skip off out the door holding hands]
Donna: What the HELL was that??

Bwahahaha! I'd imagine something very similar to that would actually happened.

"Man in a suit. Tall, thin man. Great hair. Some...really great hair." HA!! *LOVES*

This line killed me. It was great and completely not what I expected. Has Rusty been reading fanfic? lol

My jaw literally dropped when Donna stepped in front of the truck. I was STUNNED.

OMG, me too! And then she said Bad Wolf. I never ever ever would have thought Bad Wolf would play any part of the finale. A part of me thinks that Bad Wolf is just the phrase for the Doctor to recognize rather than Badwolf!Rose making an appearance unless it's the actual Bad Wolf that's "pulling" her across universes.

Bwahahaha! I'd imagine something very similar to that would actually happened.

Why talk about it when you can just grin? :D

This line killed me. It was great and completely not what I expected. Has Rusty been reading fanfic? lol

I know! So amused.

OMG, me too! And then she said Bad Wolf. I never ever ever would have thought Bad Wolf would play any part of the finale. A part of me thinks that Bad Wolf is just the phrase for the Doctor to recognize rather than Badwolf!Rose making an appearance unless it's the actual Bad Wolf that's "pulling" her across universes.

Well, BadWolf!Rose had to at least have put the words on all the banners and the TARDIS. But who knows what else is happening because of her, or if everything else is happening because of something else.

I wanna see!! *flails* I still have 3 more hours of work and then an hour or so to get the ep.

BAH!

I love Doctor-like Rose. We saw it in her back in The Satan Pit, when she takes charge when separated from the Doctor. She's good at taking charge, leading people, and getting things done.

I think the high-pitched noises I made when Billie was in the credits drove my cat out of the room. :D

Hee, her getting distracted by his hair. *heart* And oh man, when Donna asked her if they were... and she didn't answer? I gleed. I'm so easy. (Seriously, Donna would have been like "NO NO NO FOR THE LAST TIME" and Martha would have equivocated. But Rose? Silence is an answer of its own...)

Her smile! That got me, too. She was so serious during all of it, and I worried that she didn't have joy anymore. But when she smiled, oh, that made things better. She's still her!

I love Doctor-like Rose. We saw it in her back in The Satan Pit, when she takes charge when separated from the Doctor. She's good at taking charge, leading people, and getting things done.

Yup yup yup. It's not like this is really out of the blue for her. You've pointed out the example of her dealing with a situation on her own without his backup.

I think the high-pitched noises I made when Billie was in the credits drove my cat out of the room. :D

There was some hands of joy here. :D

Hee, her getting distracted by his hair. *heart*

I know! Bless.

And oh man, when Donna asked her if they were... and she didn't answer? I gleed. I'm so easy. (Seriously, Donna would have been like "NO NO NO FOR THE LAST TIME" and Martha would have equivocated. But Rose? Silence is an answer of its own...)

It spoke volumes.

Her smile! That got me, too. She was so serious during all of it, and I worried that she didn't have joy anymore. But when she smiled, oh, that made things better. She's still her!

Yup! I really needed to see her smile. I was missing that a LOT until she did it. I was in a chat earlier today, and as someone pointed out - she really didn't have a lot to smile about considering the Doctor was dead and the world was going to hell. But she still smiled about the TARDIS - and you could see that spark there. *pets her*

I liked NuWho since it's beginnings. This episode (and series 4) has set it above my wildest hopes.

Amazing how the Doctor-Lite episode can be so good...

Sounded like they had Rose's return planned for a long time. I'm glad they were able to keep under wraps...

This episode really was definitely a highlight of the entire run for me.

And from what I understand, it was always planned for her to return. And heard they'd scheduled BP at least a year in advance just to make sure they could get her.

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when the tardis replied to rose was awesome. my favourite part of the episode next to DT's reaction at the end. He was out of there like a lightning bolt

I loved both those moments. A LOT. So many moments I loved though, but Rose being gentle with the TARDIS and the TARDIS reacting back... It was a reunion I had no idea I wanted to see.

I loved seeing the Doctor and Donna having a good time in some alien bazaar.

I love it whenever this show reminds up that half the time TARDIS travel is just chilling at spas, or crashing garden parties, or buying strange looking fruit. We just get to see the danger because most viewers probably wouldn't watch an hour of The Doctor, Rose and Donna trying on silly hats (I know we would, but still!).

But you know what it means when people are having a good time on this show, don't you?

....do they get kittens? *hopeful*

She's obviously been coming to this world to warn the Doctor long before this time mixup, since we saw her in "Partners in Crime." Man, she was probably around during the real "The Runaway Bride" too.

I have theories! They aren't happy. D: (On the plus side, they will probably also remain theories.)

Seemed like she was barely getting through to him back then, but it was enough to save his life.

He really shouldn't be alone when he's grieving. I like how easily it's taken for granted (before this episode) how Donna affected the Doctor, even if she didn't travel with him. I like that we're reminded how much she's changed by showing the type of person she was, and a rapid growth into the person she is.

I'd like to see Rose smiling a lot more, please.

ME TOO.

Can I just say that Rose stroking the TARDIS and the TARDIS responding to her – I LOVE it.

ME TOO.

Okay, good. On second watching I picked up on the fact that Rose actually asked Donna if she wanted to see the bug, and after an initial no, she said yes.

Yeah. She was also quick to have them shut it off when Donna asked, and reassured her she wouldn't have to see it again. Rose is a lot harder, and more Doctor-like, and that worries me, but there's enough there to...not worry me too much.

ACK! FORSHADOWING OF DOOM! Well, that's barely forshadowing. That's like blazing neon lights of "DONNA WILL DIE IN THE FINALE!"

See, I'm not sure. I think she just meant that Donna. Because that Donna was going on about how her "death" would be a metaphor; that she wouldn't exist when she righted the timelines. But her death was a fact. And I'm not so sure Donna would have come up with the solution if she didn't think she was going to die.

Okay, so maybe we should have been paying a liiiitle more attention when Bad Wolf showed up in places like Gridlock and in Torchwood. :D

Something about it being all over the TARDIS too just cracks me up. It's like she's saying "YEAH! ABOUT DAMN TIME! And use the instant replay on the monitor more often. I've also been trying to tell you to take the trash out for weeks."

They even changed the plating above the door!

Aw! I didn't notice that! Someone in the continuity department deserves a cookie.

I love it whenever this show reminds up that half the time TARDIS travel is just chilling at spas, or crashing garden parties, or buying strange looking fruit. We just get to see the danger because most viewers probably wouldn't watch an hour of The Doctor, Rose and Donna trying on silly hats (I know we would, but still!).

The Silly Hat Episode would be AWESOME! (I love it too.)

He really shouldn't be alone when he's grieving.

Very much no. I mean, we all saw what he was like in S3, and thankfully Martha was around.

I like how easily it's taken for granted (before this episode) how Donna affected the Doctor, even if she didn't travel with him. I like that we're reminded how much she's changed by showing the type of person she was, and a rapid growth into the person she is.

*nods*

See, I'm not sure. I think she just meant that Donna. Because that Donna was going on about how her "death" would be a metaphor; that she wouldn't exist when she righted the timelines. But her death was a fact. And I'm not so sure Donna would have come up with the solution if she didn't think she was going to die.

I thought that might be it, but someone in chat pointed out the fortuneteller's reaction to Donna. :-\

Something about it being all over the TARDIS too just cracks me up. It's like she's saying "YEAH! ABOUT DAMN TIME! And use the instant replay on the monitor more often. I've also been trying to tell you to take the trash out for weeks."

*SNORTS*

Aw! I didn't notice that! Someone in the continuity department deserves a cookie.

They totally do!

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solielle.livejournal.com - 2008-06-22 02:50 (UTC) - Expand

So the premise of the story is a ‘what if’ scenario.

When I was trying to explain it to my mom, I compared it to It’s a Wonderful Life. (And Rose is Clarence. I think that’s brilliant.)

ETA: Erm… really bad thought here. He was in a really bad place at that moment. Maybe he simply chose not to regenerate. :(

That was my first thought, actually.

Can I just say that Rose stroking the TARDIS and the TARDIS responding to her—I LOVE it.

ME TOO. They’d already killed off half a dozen characters I care about, but this scene—this almost made me cry. And it was right after Rose’s big grin, when she got to introduce Donna to the Tardis. *sniff*

Okay, so maybe we should have been paying a liiiitle more attention when Bad Wolf showed up in places like Gridlock and in Torchwood. :D

Well… maybe. Just a little. :D

When I was trying to explain it to my mom, I compared it to It’s a Wonderful Life. (And Rose is Clarence. I think that’s brilliant.)

Yeah, it is a bit like that.

That was my first thought, actually.

Didn't even occur to me until well after the episode. I mean, I was even very well aware of suicidal!Doctor in the Dalek episode in S3. But maybe because the Doctor's been pretty stable this series that my mind wasn't even in that area. If I'd seen this episode during S3 I might have more quickly thought that.

ME TOO. They’d already killed off half a dozen characters I care about, but this scene—this almost made me cry. And it was right after Rose’s big grin, when she got to introduce Donna to the Tardis. *sniff*

I did sniff a bit. We always talk about how the Doctor was taken in by Rose's family, but Rose really was taken in by the Doctor's only family too. We don't really see examples of this much on the show, but they certainly used it enough times in the tie-in novels. It's been sort of quasi-canon/fanon up until now. Nine musing about the TARDIS taking to Rose in a way that was completely baffling him. And Rose and the TARDIS mentally connecting a couple of times in Ten novels. One incident the Doctor never even found out about.

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So much love for this! I have to save your recap for when I am more coherant!

I know! This episode simply ROCKED!

I'm oddly unworried about Donna's foreshadowed death. I mean, we went down this route with Rose before, right? So I'm thinking it's a big red herring meant to distract us from whatever is *actually* going to happen. Which... might even make me MORE nervous than Donna dying. Don't tell me I don't know how to be neurotic! XD

She's obviously been coming to this world to warn the Doctor long before this time mixup, since we saw her in "Partners in Crime." Man, she was probably around during the real "The Runaway Bride" too.

This whole thing is hurting my head so much. Is she just jumping from one parallel world to another? Is that how she knows this isn't the right one? Or is there something non-linear at work? OW, MY HEAD. I think I'm going to need heavy duty painkillers before this is all over. Hmm.

I've missed Rose's smile. Those were two things that used to go hand-in-hand: Rose and her smile. And we finally get to see it 30 minutes in when Donna's reacting to the TARDIS for the first time.

I felt better after she smiled, too. :D I'm a bit weirded out over how cold she was too Donna over her death, but I'm hoping for more background on Rose next week.

Fantastic expression! Fear, panic and also an undercurrent of emotions because he knows exactly who Donna talked to.

*NODS*

That expression was... WOW. I really need puppies and ice cream in this finale. *twitches*

I'm oddly unworried about Donna's foreshadowed death. I mean, we went down this route with Rose before, right? So I'm thinking it's a big red herring meant to distract us from whatever is *actually* going to happen. Which... might even make me MORE nervous than Donna dying. Don't tell me I don't know how to be neurotic! XD

I'm not really *all* that worried about Donna. I still refuse to believe they'd go so far as to kill off a companion in New Who. Well...permanently, I mean. :D

This whole thing is hurting my head so much. Is she just jumping from one parallel world to another? Is that how she knows this isn't the right one? Or is there something non-linear at work? OW, MY HEAD. I think I'm going to need heavy duty painkillers before this is all over. Hmm.

I'd *heard* that on the Confidential DT mentions this. That Rose's world is slightly ahead of the real world, and that's how she knows everything. Or something. Not exactly sure, but I'm sure we'll get an explanation soon.

I felt better after she smiled, too. :D I'm a bit weirded out over how cold she was too Donna over her death, but I'm hoping for more background on Rose next week.

A lot I can write off to Rose becoming single-minded in reversing the wrong timeline, and she could go full steam ahead without really stopping for hand-holding since the real Donna wouldn't really remember anything anyway.

That expression was... WOW. I really need puppies and ice cream in this finale. *twitches*

I don't think I could take it if they grind the Doctor into the ground again. Really, really not. Really not.

I'm still trying to catch my breath. There were SO many things I loved about it... I can't even begin to talk about it just yet. I'm still processing.

I was actually shaking! I seriously cannot remember a single time where a TV show or movie has done that to me! OMG.

ME TOO!! I thought I was having some kind of fit there at the end. I was amazed.

So the end of the episode blew my mind, and then I watched the trailer... and my brain dribbled out my ear.

Is it next Saturday yet.

I'm still trying to catch my breath. There were SO many things I loved about it... I can't even begin to talk about it just yet. I'm still processing.

It completely blew me away, and that just doesn't genuinely happen very often.

ME TOO!! I thought I was having some kind of fit there at the end. I was amazed.

So the end of the episode blew my mind, and then I watched the trailer... and my brain dribbled out my ear.

Is it next Saturday yet.

The next 2 weeks are going to go by SO slowly.

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I think I squeed as much as I can at Frances's LJ, but man, was this a good episode. I really think this season could be my favorite overall.

Can I just say, I am so amused that the title for this ep's Confidential is "Here Comes the Girls!"? HEE.

OMG THE PROMO. *FLAILS* IS IT NEXT SATURDAY YET? *SITS DOWN AND WAITS*

I haven't seen the Confidential, but have heard about it. It sounds pretty good, although I might wait to watch it until much, much later. After the series is done. There's something about Confidentials/Commentaries that break down the 4th wall for me that I don't like to have happen when I'm in the middle of watching a story.

And it's going to be SUCH a long wait for the next 2 episodes!

Your review of the episode was brilliant :D

Jack got sent to the Sontaran home world, where he's undoubtedly started to hone skills in military-style sex
Man's gotta pass the time somehow ;)

Rose: [zones out over the hair]
Donna: Sorry, do you need a minute?
Haha, for serious. I think someone might have a liking for the Doctor's hair ;)

I'd like to see Rose smiling a lot more, please.
Yes, me, too!

Can I just say that Rose stroking the TARDIS and the TARDIS responding to her – I LOVE it.
That made my day. The TARDIS luffs Rose.

The fact that Bad Wolf was brought back is due to some brilliant writing, planning, OCDness, etc. I was expecting Bad Wolf to come in somewhere, but not like that. And here most of us thought the little Bad Wolf references throughout Series 3 were just a nod to Rose, but nooooooo, those sneaky buggers have been planning this since she left. This is the reason I watch the show. Amazing.

And I better get my happy reunion! There was much fluffy Ten/Rose happiness, so I'm hoping this is a foreshadowing to that!

God, I've missed Rose!

I'm done spamming now :D

Your review of the episode was brilliant :D

:D Thanks!

Haha, for serious. I think someone might have a liking for the Doctor's hair ;)

Seems like it! And the Doctor seems to have an overwhelming fondness for his hair himself. :D *suddenly pictures the two of them spending an entire day playing with his hair* MWAH.

That made my day. The TARDIS luffs Rose.

*nods*

The fact that Bad Wolf was brought back is due to some brilliant writing, planning, OCDness, etc. I was expecting Bad Wolf to come in somewhere, but not like that. And here most of us thought the little Bad Wolf references throughout Series 3 were just a nod to Rose, but nooooooo, those sneaky buggers have been planning this since she left. This is the reason I watch the show. Amazing.

I LOVE it. And I honestly wasn't expecting it at all, thinking all the Bad Wolf stuff after S1 were simply fun little references. But...it probably should have been a big clue when the beach in Doomsday was Bad Wolf Bay.

And I better get my happy reunion! There was much fluffy Ten/Rose happiness, so I'm hoping this is a foreshadowing to that!

At least a very VERY big hug! HUGGING NOW, PLEASE.

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Why do I find it a wee bit unnerving that the Doctor could actually be taken out if something happened really fast? ETA: Erm...really bad thought here. He was in a really bad place at that moment. Maybe he simply chose not to regenerate. :(

You know, I'm gonna have to go with option B here. He was REALLY suicidal all throughout series 3, and Donna DID have to snap him out of it when he was killing the spider queen and her babies. Plus, he didn't have anyone to help him. This alternate version of TRB would have put him ALONE throughout the entire episode. He didn't have Donna there to distract him from his Rose induced grief. Who knows how long he was wallowing in his pain before going to defeat the Racnoss. Maybe he just stood on the platform until the water pushed him away. As sad as it is, I think he just wanted the pain to be over.

*nods*

Having thought about it now, I'm going with option B too as sad as it is. I was saying in a comment above that my brain didn't even go in this area until well after the episode. Maybe because it's been a while since we've been exposed to Seriously Unstable Doctor, and so wasn't even thinking like that.

This show has *constantly* caught me off-guard in showing just how deeply the Doctor took Rose's loss, and this example is the most striking of anything we've seen. He would have simply given up if Donna hadn't been there. :(

I've missed Rose's smile. Those were two things that used to go hand-in-hand: Rose and her smile.

YES SO TRUE. AND THE TARDIS STROKAGE. AND I JUST AGREE WITH YOU BUT AM TOO TIRED TO REPASTE EVERYTHING AND AGREE.

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

It was simply AWESOME. I'm in awe.

Best "Doctor-lite" episode of all 4 series. By FAR.

OMG. It was the Doctor-lite episode, wasn't it?? I had honestly completely forgotten. That's how awesome it was. Hah.

How clueless am I? "Bad Wolf" never even crossed my mind when Rose was whispering those two words.

Yup, same here. I actually pumped the air with glee when Donna said it.

Which means that BadWolf!Rose saw all this and did something about it way back in TPotW. TRIPPY.

*brain exploded during the Confidential when they explained this!*

OMG. It was the Doctor-lite episode, wasn't it?? I had honestly completely forgotten. That's how awesome it was. Hah.

Well, I started making caps as I watched, but only got to BP's name - after that I was too captivated to do anything else. :D

Yup, same here. I actually pumped the air with glee when Donna said it.

You could have knocked me over with a feather.

*brain exploded during the Confidential when they explained this!*

Oh, the mentioned that? :D I just figured that there was no other way that "Bad Wolf" could have appeared on everything.

Am slightly more coherent now that I've slept on it.

I rewatched it, and all I could think about now that the suspence was gone, is how much love I have for these characters. All of them. Aside from the mind-bending timey-wimey stuff, what really got me in this episode were the little things, the little details.

The market scene at the beginning, I loved to see the Doctor being... happy and having fun, doing something that I always imagined him doing with Rose, but never with Martha, indicating that just maybe he's ready to move on (and of course just as Rose is coming back...). Btw. Chinese market. Why doesn't the TARDIS translate Chinese (or Gaelic, for that matter)?

he simply chose not to regenerate
That was my first thought. "OMG without Donna there he just let himself drown". DROWN! I was heartbroken. But I love how they underlined how important Donna was in snapping him out of his desperation. He was suicidal for most of S3, but by slapping some sense into him Donna got him through that agonizing first day and got him to keep living, keep fighting. She not only saved the Doctor, but also the audience, because I don't know if I could have handled going straight from Rose to Martha. I've always said the Runaway Bride was GENIUS, we just didn't know how much until now. And then Donna, by traveling with him this past season, was so good for him she snapped him our of his funk and got him to enjoy life and traveling again (as we see him in the chinese market).This episode is an ode to Donna. Well done!

Rose... oh, Rose. Tired, worned out, sad. And lonely. So very lonely, isolated from everyone else because of her knowledge. So very like the Doctor. When she said "don't salute" in the very same tone of voice the Doctor used in The Sontaran Stratagem... the way she talks, the way she behaves... especially with Donna. Stroking the TARDIS and the TARDIS humming back. *sigh*

Loved the bit with Donna going into the TARDIS and saying "No. Way." And then getting out. "I want a coffee."

She stepped in front of a frakking truck!!

Then I loved when she just hugs the Doctor, and he's obviously puzzled but still hugs her back and tries to sooth her.

I can't even go into the Doctor's expression. Great cap. *stares*

Great job about Bad Wolf stamped everywhere. But, huh, how is it gonna come off the TARDIS? :P

I'm not even going to proof-read this comment, or I'll end up chucking the whole thing.

SO MUCH LOVE!!!

The market scene at the beginning, I loved to see the Doctor being... happy and having fun, doing something that I always imagined him doing with Rose, but never with Martha, indicating that just maybe he's ready to move on (and of course just as Rose is coming back...).

I think he's definitely much more stable now. There's been some time and distance.

Btw. Chinese market. Why doesn't the TARDIS translate Chinese (or Gaelic, for that matter)?

Um...Bad Wolf did it? :D

That was my first thought. "OMG without Donna there he just let himself drown". DROWN! I was heartbroken. But I love how they underlined how important Donna was in snapping him out of his desperation. He was suicidal for most of S3, but by slapping some sense into him Donna got him through that agonizing first day and got him to keep living, keep fighting.

Yup. You know, I've always *loathed* the fact that the heartbreaking moment of Doomsday was garishly interrupted by a shrieking Donna. I might be willing to forgive some of that now...

Rose... oh, Rose. Tired, worned out, sad. And lonely. So very lonely, isolated from everyone else because of her knowledge. So very like the Doctor. When she said "don't salute" in the very same tone of voice the Doctor used in The Sontaran Stratagem... the way she talks, the way she behaves... especially with Donna. Stroking the TARDIS and the TARDIS humming back. *sigh*

She was *so* like the Doctor in this. Sad, lonely but pressing on because it's save-the-world time again.

She stepped in front of a frakking truck!!

I KNOW!!

I can't even go into the Doctor's expression. Great cap. *stares*

That expression completely got to me. DT nailed it perfectly.

God, she really will probably wind up sacrificing herself to save the universe in the finale, won't she? I still can't believe that they'd actually kill a companion off permanently.

See, I just saw that "I'm so sorry, you're gonna die" conversation as referring to the "turn right" version of Donna, not the "turn left" Donna we've seen hanging with the Doctor this season. But I could just be pointlessly hoping considering this IS Rusty we're talking about. ;P

That's what I was *kind of* thinking, but then I was in chat with some people yesterday, and someone brought up ~~Chantho~~ the fortuneteller freaking out at Donna. Plus Rose talking about strange readings coming from Donna herself... :-\

In any case, I'm pretty sure the finale will all hinge on Donna.

I picked Bad Wolf just as Donna was talking about it. I AM SO FRICKING EXCITED I STARTED SHAKING!

RTD HAS MADE IT ALL BETTER (until the finale)

IS IT NEXT WEEK YET?

You are SMART! I kept wanting her to just say "Rose Tyler." :D

And sadly it's not next week yet! :(

*dies and is dead*

*flops*

Erm...really bad thought here. He was in a really bad place at that moment. Maybe he simply chose not to regenerate. :(

That's my theory. I mean, Donna in TRB was a distraction, yes, but she was so much more than that. She asked him about Rose, even if he pushed her off. And she wasn't afraid to tell him it was time to stop (and that he needed someone).

Everyone but Donna and Rose was killed!

They flipping killed DONNA, as well, sort of.

The smile and the hair line were awesome and like, the only happy points. This whole thing was just plain bleak.

I was actually shaking! I seriously cannot remember a single time where a TV show or movie has done that to me! OMG.

Totally. And his expression just killed me.

That's my theory. I mean, Donna in TRB was a distraction, yes, but she was so much more than that. She asked him about Rose, even if he pushed her off. And she wasn't afraid to tell him it was time to stop (and that he needed someone).

*nods*

After pondering a bit, I'm going to agree with this. He pulled a Master and simply chose not to regenerate. :(

The smile and the hair line were awesome and like, the only happy points. This whole thing was just plain bleak.

It was. And normally I don't like pure bleak, but this was just SO good.

Totally. And his expression just killed me.

Me too.

It was a stunning epsiode, quite thought provoking.

I loved Rose's hair zoning!

It was a stunning epsiode, quite thought provoking.

Very!

I loved Rose's hair zoning!

Me too. It was a great little touch!

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