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Okay, this episode was one big info dump. For my own sake I had to break it down. I think this is right.

The 13th tribe broke away and went to Earth. On Earth they created their own Cylons and went through the whole war thing, destroying each other.
However, 5 humanoid Cylons ("the final five") managed to get away from Earth and headed back to the 12 colonies.
- The final five were more advanced in that the Cylons on Earth could reproduce. They also had regeneration technology.
- The final five were less advanced in that they didn't have jump drives and it took them forever to get back to the 12 colonies.
When the 5 returned, they found the centurions going through the same conflict with the Humans that had happened on Earth.
To get the centurions to stop fighting, the 5 promised them regeneration technology and also created human models (Cavil, Leoben, D'Anna, Six, Boomer). This is why the Cylons suddenly disappeared after the original war.
The 5 hoped that if they gave these Cylons free will, the ability to love and have human emotions, that the cycle of destruction by the Cylons would end.
Cavil went a bit nuts, not particularly liking the fact that he was made of meat, and killed the 5.
When the 5 resurrected, Cavil blocked their memories and then shipped them off to live with the Humans.
But now that their resurrection ship has been destroyed, Cavil's desperate to get that technology back. Ellen is saying she needs the other of the 5 to do something like that - no idea if it's a lie or the truth.

Oh, and there's some Cylon named Daniel we've never seen. (At least, I don't think we've ever seen a Daniel.)

Also, Mr. PC was the brain surgeon. HA!!

And one more thing, I love Ellen like this! At first I was like, "um, Ellen is the final Cylon?" But seeing her now, it completely fits.

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I just finished watching this! And I know it was an enormous info-dump and I'm not sure I have it all straight, but I really really liked it. Especially Ellen as the primary Final Fiver. I think it's fascinating to see her real personality, to see that she, like Tigh, is all about accepting responsibility for who you are and what you do and going on from that. She and Tigh fit the parent role for the other models pretty well and I dunno, I just think it very much makes sense, the reveal that Cavil is the son who's massively pissed off at Mom and Dad and has been causing 95% of the problems out there, just because he won't accept who he is. And Daniel is totally Starbuck's dad.

I just finished watching this! And I know it was an enormous info-dump and I'm not sure I have it all straight, but I really really liked it. Especially Ellen as the primary Final Fiver.

Uh huh!

I think it's fascinating to see her real personality, to see that she, like Tigh, is all about accepting responsibility for who you are and what you do and going on from that.

Do you think we've seen the other 4's real personalities yet? Ellen is quite a bit different from her Human personality (which happened once she realized who she was - a 180 in the tank there). I'm curious about the others.

She and Tigh fit the parent role for the other models pretty well and I dunno, I just think it very much makes sense, the reveal that Cavil is the son who's massively pissed off at Mom and Dad and has been causing 95% of the problems out there, just because he won't accept who he is.

I loved that little twist. They wrote and the actor played Cavil really well in this episode - you kept getting the impression of him being this emo teen without actually blatantly doing "emo teen."

And Daniel is totally Starbuck's dad.

OMG. That's gotta be it! That would make so much sense then! Including Starbuck's artistic tendencies! I would totally lay money on this idea right now.

Do you think we've seen the other 4's real personalities yet? Ellen is quite a bit different from her Human personality (which happened once she realized who she was - a 180 in the tank there). I'm curious about the others.

I don't know, but it's a very good question. It seems like Cavil deliberately really screwed with Ellen, because he resents her so much. The others certainly don't have the memories they should have, but I'm not sure whether they will eventually undergo such a dramatic personality change.

They wrote and the actor played Cavil really well in this episode - you kept getting the impression of him being this emo teen without actually blatantly doing "emo teen."

Yup. He was just so angry and refusing to take any responsibility at all for who he is. The Sixes prove all the time that none of the humlons have to be any particular way, regardless of how they were created. They make their own choices and are their own people, as is Athena and hopefully now, Boomer as well.

Daniel as Starbuck's dad would make a LOT of sense. It explains her miraculous resurrection and her special destiny-ness.

And Daniel is totally Starbuck's dad

Hadn't occurred to me but that would make so much sense!!