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You know, it feels like there's been a mention about Eleven's clothes in just about every episode. Something about the bow tie or how he thinks he looks cool. The first time or two it was amusing. But now it's starting to feel like overcompensation and someone has issues. I mean, we're up to episode 10-ish now.

I really don't need to be told how cool he looks all the time. Or how he's so geeky he's cool. Just...stop.

OVERCOMPENSATION.

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(Not mine, obviously. :) )

The husband's reaction to the picture: "Bwahahahahahahahah!" ::breathes:: "That's mean -- bwahahahahahahaha!"

BWAH!!

Seriously, though, Eleven's screwdriver sort of weirds me out.

It looks far too like a futuristic speculum to me. Oww.

Ow is right!

lirl Eleven's catchphrases are less applicable to general situations than Ten's were but he does manage a way to get it into pretty much every episode.

There's a little moment in Christmas Carol that does something neat with this, but it does get sort of repetitive, or at least sound like Moffat has a vested interest in the bowtie market.

It keeps feeling like they're really needy about reminding the audience that Eleven's just as cool as Ten. Or something.

I think it's more... Idk tongue-in-cheek than that. Like Eleen genuinely believes he looks cool, but he is incorrect. Matt Smith has said before that his Doctor thinks he is a lot cooler than he actually is.

But also as said below, Moffat likes to reuse jokes... And reuse them... Etc.

Someone really needs to clue him in that after the second time, it's just not funny anymore.

I think it's one of those things Moffat just likes to keep including in everything, like "Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey". Although there is a cute clothes mention in the last episode, which... you probably won't enjoy as much considering you've noticed this, but still. :-)

It really is starting to grate on me for some reason. Enough already! :D

I like Elevenh Hour a lot, it is probably my favorite Moffat episode, but I groan when Eleven says "wibbly wobbly" a propos of NOTHING in bbAmy's room. Blah

OVERCOMPENSATION.

Lol yeah. Poor Eleven XD Can't be easy being not-Ten XD

He could use a swishy coat. :D

... and sideburns =)

((le sigh....))

I just started watching S5, and I'm finding Eleven a bit annoying. He's so young that his hyperactivity comes across as bratty sometimes. He was adorable with Amelia, though.

I'm only three episodes in, so hopefully I'll change my mind.

Yeah, there were parts in the first episode that I found a bit annoying too. That whole food tasting thing was eye-rolling for me. But after that I started to mellow to him.

However, I'm starting to become convinced that Eleven doesn't have a character arc this series. He just sort of floats from episode to episode, reacting to whatever's in front of him. Which is okay for the show in general, but hasn't really endeared me to Eleven yet.

I agree with others who have said there are better episodes down the line. The first half of the series: not impressed. Middling to flat episodes abound.

But Amy's Choice is snifty and Vincent and the Doctor has very lovely elements.

In Moffat's era, characters don't have personnalities. They've got catchphrases instead.

I don't know if I'd go that far, just that their personalities aren't vastly developed.

There is a lack of "real" personality in Moffat's Who. And that's really odd, because his characters when he wrote under RTD were quite good. Nancy from TEC was awesome. Sally Sparrow and Larry Nightengale were good. Reinette was good (I didn't like her, but she was a full 'person'). And I loved River from her first "hello sweetie" in the library.

But this time around-- it's very true. There are jokes and "catchphrases" getting in the way of the characters.

My son said something interesting today about S5. It was like 11 was trying to be the doctor. I think (translating) he was saying the writing was more "this is the doctor! he's geeky! he is funny!" to an extreme- to the point you lose the character a little.
And as I said in reply to your other entry- this is not Matt, who really delivers when he's given the material.
Russell went overboard on the angst at times-- over do it and you actually lose the feeling you are going for. But Moffat does the same thing, just with different stuff. And "look, it's a tie joke, its funny!" (and other things like that) fall into this catagory.
Mind you, sometimes it works (and a few times coming up it works). But... the rapid fire jokes about personality and clothing at times are overdone.

I hate to say it, but I've sort of been getting the same impression about "trying to be the Doctor." Logically I know he's the Doctor, but I'm just not feeling it yet.

I don't think it's because I'm hanging on to Ten. (I'm actually not that huge of a DT/Ten stan. I was more than ready for him to go by the time the Specials rolled around.) But... *shrugs*

Yep, I agree, and it's not the acting. It's the writing. I've noticed when Matt's had a chance to show a doctor with some substance he delivers. The episode Victory of the Daleks had it's weakpoints, but the LOOK on 11's face when he heard the sound and knew what he was facing, and his build up to exploding "I am the doctor and you are the daleks!" was wonderful. We've had moments like these scattered through the series, but unlike the last series, those moments haven't been an integral part of the structure. We're losing character for plot, and it's all the sadder because we have an actor in the role of the doctor who CAN do it.

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