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Honestly I spent much of this episode saying "get on with it! Even though it was full of action it felt like it went on forever.

Anyway, the whole fairytale aspect of it - cute. Although I have to say that the whole dynamic it's created with Amy isn't really my favorite dynamic in the history of the Doctor and Companions. I prefer things a bit more real. Really, the sci-fi stuff they normally encounter is enough without adding another layer of unreality. Though I really like that Amy and Rory remember things - I hate reset buttons.

I've decided that River is Jack Harkness. If he can eventually become a giant face, why not a woman for a while? Nothing will convince me otherwise. Personal canon. Amen.

Yay for Rory joining the TARDIS! He really does add something. Actually, I have to admit he's striking me as really the only genuine character in the ensemble. Eleven, Amy and River are all a bit cartoony to me - they all still feel like caricatures rather than flesh and blood people. But oh well.

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I still don't completely understand what happened in this episode. LOL. Like, there was lots of stuff happening, but idrk why or how. I think that this episode could have used some more time to breathe, if that makes sense.

Also, the entire premise of the ending should theoretically change Amy's character completely (growing up with her parents and without being abandoned by the Doctor). What do you want to bet that nothing changes in series 6?

But IA. Rory really feels like the most genuine character. I LOVE HIM. Eleven really grew on me by the end of the series, but he definitely feels a lot less real and a lot more alien than Nine or Ten did. So I enjoy Eleven, but I don't really connect with him or care for him like I did previous Doctors.

What do you want to bet that nothing changes in series 6?

HUSH, YOU, YOU'LL JINX IT.

I've decided that River is Jack Harkness. If he can eventually become a giant face, why not a woman for a while? Nothing will convince me otherwise. Personal canon. Amen.

YES, THIS. Bwahaha. That would explain how she instantly knew how to use the vortex manipulator. Now to get her in a long swishy hero coat.

I absolutely adore Rory, and this episode only cemented it. Even when I write with Ten, I find someway, somehow, to include Rory in it.

Personally, I think River is someone else, although, now that you mention it... yes... she does scream "Hi! I'm Jack as a woman!" vibes.

And Jack did say something in the show, so it is canon, about carrying children once... so you may be onto something.

Woot, I'm not the only one who thinks River is Jack to me it just makes sense. Also it amuses me to think of him/her toying with him like this where River as a separate entity it doesn't.

I still have no idea what happened in this episode. I tried to figure it out, but it only left me with a headache and an intense disliking for so many things about Series 5.

Though I love Rory. Whenever he's on the screen I'm happy. He's completely adorable and occasionally dresses like Marty McFly.

Yes! I really don't like River's constant neener neener thing, because the author never gave me a chance to get to know her without it. If that makes sense. Now if it's Jack, after all of Ten's whatever!attitude towards him? That would be HILARIOUS.

the entire premise of the ending should theoretically change Amy's character completely

I think I would like an Amy without the abandonment issues and lack of empathy a lot more. Nothing huge, you know, vital but subtle. There was a great deal of promise in how easily she told Rory "I love you" in the reworked universe, now they just need to follow up on that.

I love Rory joining them in the TARDIS. Rory is awesome.

River is Jack Harkness. Hmmm. Well, I like that theory a lot better than the ones about her being the Doctor's mother, or daughter, or himself. Because with the whole flirtiness factor-- those three options are just EWWW.

Oh, wow, he totally does dress like Marty!! The vest and everything. LOL.

LOL These episodes kind of make no sense and are extremely flawed in terms of continuity, but I love them anyway and they're two of my favorites. (Yes, I love angsty endings as much as the next glutton for punishment, but it was nice to have a happy ending for once. That said... rip my heart out next season? Please?)

My favorite scene is probably this one:

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"Funny. I thought if you could hear me, I could hang on somehow. Silly me... silly old Doctor. When you wake up, you'll have a mum and dad. And you won't even remember me. Well, you'll remember me a little. I'll be a story in your head. That's okay. We're all stories in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? 'Cause it was, you know. It was the best.

A daft old man who stole a magic box and ran away. Did I ever tell you that I stole it? Well, I borrowed it. I was always gonna take it back. Oh, that box, Amy. You'll dream about that box. It'll never leave you. Big and little at the same time. Brand new and ancient, and the bluest blue ever. And the times we had, eh? Would've had. Never had. In your dreams they'll still be there.

The Doctor and Amy Pond. And the days that never came.

The cracks are closing. But they can't close properly 'til I'm on the other side... I don't belong here any more. I think I'll skip the rest of the rewind. I hate repeats.

Live well. Love Rory.

Bye-bye, Pond."

I don't cry at tv or movies. There are two exceptions: "Becoming Part II" from Buffy the Vampire Slayer and this show's series 1 finale "The Parting of the Ways." (And was subsequently an emotional wreck for days afterward.) But this scene, oh, I tear up and my heart breaks for Eleven.

Everything about this scene is just. so. perfect. The universe is saved, Amy's going to have her family back, Rory isn't going to be made of plastic, and all of it's possible because Eleven knows that he's going to be sealed off on the other side of the crack.

This isn't just about him dying and regenerating and becoming someone new. He is never going to have existed. He doesn't want to go, he doesn't want his story to end, but he accepts it with this quiet, heartbreaking dignity. And he doesn't just wait for it to happen; he actually enters the crack himself, because he knows there's no other way.

Eleven here is just so old and weary and it's absolutely heartbreaking that as he's facing his non-existence (because even though he has a plan, it's obvious he's not expecting it to work), all he can do is tell a fairy tale to the first person he ever met in his current body, even though she's asleep and isn't going remember him as real.

Matt Smith (and Steven Moffat) knocked it out of the park in this one. I think it's one of the most emotional scenes I've seen in Doctor Who (certainly one of the best scenes I've seen period), and I tear up every time I watch it.

~~And it's also the basis for an Eleven/Rose fic I have brewing in my head.~~

Rory was made of so. much. win. in this episode. Him shooting the Dalek? BRILLIANT. And I loved his little spastic dance when Amy starts running towards him.

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It totally makes sense to me because it's a large part of my feelings too. Jack has earned the right to play mind games with the Doctor whereas River hasn't. Jack also knows things about the Doctor that interest me, not just things we don't know.

I still don't completely understand what happened in this episode.

I decided against attempting to understand what happened. I enjoy it much more that way. :-)

*pets* This scene made me cry, too, although I cry at things more than you.

I love Eleven here, so much. Matt did an amazing job. Oh, and of course the Doctor would think that since she'll have Rory and her parents back, she won't need him anymore. He always thinks that. Silly Doctor.

I DON'T UNDERSTAAAAAND. The thing was, I really thought I did -- but the more I tried to explain it to people, the less sense it began to make. I think it all works (sort of) except for River, though. Like, my understanding was that everything that happened in s5 no longer "really" happened the same way the Year That Wasn't didn't happen, but the players involved (Amy, Rory, the Doctor) all remembered it happening. EXCEPT that doesn't work because the Angel episodes were in the future for Big Bang River and she remembered the Big Bang and ugh ugh none of it makes sense MOFFAT WHY.

I found it enjoyable on a surfacey level though, like it was shiny and whatever, but thinking about it was a big pile of WTF, and unlike the sciency-WTF in RTD's finales, it's a WTF that affects the characters ad how they should behave/etc. How do Amy and Rory have two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT lives in their head? How does that even work? Will Amy have changed at all? We saw hints of change in Amy -- she tells Rory she loves him quite easily, and she is excited for the wedding -- she looks at her dress and grins. But is that because in this universe she was never second-guessing herself, or because she has all the subconscious affirmed Rory-love she developed over the course of s5? More importantly HOW DOES SHE REMEMBER STUFF THAT NEVER HAPPENED??? Ahhhhhhh!

Also I was sad because I thought Amelia would play a bigger role than she did, and I love Amelia so much, lol.

I still found it enjoyable, though, and I won't lie, I was like :D :D :D :D for the entire wedding.

I love this episode, so I've never allowed myself to think about whether it makes sense or not. I love the individual pieces well enough that I don't care if the whole plot is sort of... fantastic. In particular, like

turtle_goose I love Eleven saying goodbye to little Amelia, the wedding scene where Amy remembers the Doctor, and Amy and Rory not letting the Doctor go off without them. I'm also quite fond of Amy and River conspiring to get rid of the Doctor's fez.

I love that there was no giant red reset button. My tolerance for that sort of thing vanished ages ago when Star Trek: Voyager seemed to use it every other episode. And I am extremely happy that Rory is traveling with the Doctor and Amy now. I think he's definitely more down-to-earth than Eleven or Amy.

The trick to enjoying it is to not try to understand. I've given up on trying to make the so-called S5 "arc" make sense, because it doesn't.

I LOOOOVED the wedding. :-D

My main concern the whole episode was whether or not we were going to get to keep Rory, and so the wedding just had me going :D :D :D :D :D :D RORYYYY even though I was meant to be worried about the Doctor.

I think that is sort of my complaint though, is that as a viewer, knowing Karen was staying, and knowing Eleven wasn't regenerating, there was never any real tension in this episode for me. Because everything hinged on "WILL THE DOCTOR BE ERASED FROM TIME??? (of course not)" I found it hard to be very worked up. I mean, I know the real thing is HOW will he be saved, but I think having someone crucial leave in every other series finale really drummed up the suspense in a way s5, with all 4 major cast members returning for s6, couldn't hope to achieve. I like Karen and Arthur, and the Ponds, but I would really really like them to leave at the end of s6 so that the s6 finale can have that kind of oomph. They don't have to leave in tragic cicumstances, but I want to be worried that they might, if that makes sense.

I really kind of hate the whole "will they leave" "how will they leave" thing, though, so I was really very glad that I didn't have to worry about that this time around. The emotions of the characters were enough to get me emotional with them.

I don't know, the whole Rose leaving thing in S2 sort of soured me on the whole process. Months of anguish wondering whether they were going to kill her off and whether she'd have a good send-off or whatever. Plus, of course, a boatload of Rose-haters dancing around going "YAAAAY SHE'S LEAVING!" *cough* I am perfectly happy not to do that ever again. :-D

I picked up the show in s4 so I only really got to experience it week-by-week with Donna (and then sort of special-by-special with Ten) but knowing Catherine Tate was done at the end of the season definitely added tension and intrigue to the finale with me. Here, it was just kind of like any other episode where OMG AMY/THE DOCTOR/RORY IS TOTALLY DEAD!!! and I am going well, no they're not, because they're in the next episode. But then the more I think about it the more I hate "erased from time" as a threat at all, so that could be part of it.

I dunno, I enjoyed s5 a lot and am looking forward to s6 but I think if Karen and Arthur are in for s7 as well, it... will be hard to keep my attention for very long. They don't have to leave in a sad way, they can go off and make babies and make cameos in subsequent seasons like Martha and Jack, that'd be great, but I will get tired if it's just the same thing for several seasons.

I didn't really understand or like this episode. I kept waiting for everything to come together in a beautiful, neat little package - and I just felt that plot devices were being thrown at me left and right for no particular reason other than to keep things moving in the script.

You will ignore the plot holes... *handwaves*

And I really really really doubt there'll be any caracter change for anyone. XD

See? Yes! It totally fits!

I absolutely adore Rory, and this episode only cemented it. Even when I write with Ten, I find someway, somehow, to include Rory in it.

Awwww! :D

Personally, I think River is someone else, although, now that you mention it... yes... she does scream "Hi! I'm Jack as a woman!" vibes.

And Jack did say something in the show, so it is canon, about carrying children once... so you may be onto something.

It would be AWESOME. XD

It would be such a great thing! XD

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