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mrv3000 ([personal profile] mrv3000) wrote2004-06-09 07:12 am

Hmmmmm.

Does one really need to use the word Joycean to define epiphany?

[identity profile] chiroho.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 02:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Not so far as I am aware.

From the Encarta entry on James Joyce:
the term epiphany, often used in a religious context, means an understanding that comes about through a sudden intuitive realization. A Joycean epiphany is a small descriptive moment, action, or phrase that holds much larger meaning–for example, a single word or gesture that explains a person’s entire personality.
As you can see, there is a difference in the meanings, so you can have an epiphany, but that is different from a Joycean epiphany.

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 04:36 pm (UTC)(link)
D'oh! I really should take English 101 again.

[identity profile] chiroho.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 05:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I'm not sure about that, but given that I consider myself fairly well versed in the language and I'd never heard the term before I looked it up, although the meaning of epiphany was well known to me. So if you'd used it in a fic I'd beta'd, I'd probably indicate it should be taken out as most people would never have heard of it.

:D

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 06:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes! Know your audience!

[identity profile] splash-the-cat.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 03:16 pm (UTC)(link)
If you are really pretentious.

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
But it's so fun to be pretentious when you're trying to give validity to your point. Okay, well it's fun for the reader. Heh.
icepixie: (dreaming)

[personal profile] icepixie 2004-06-09 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
You could just not use "Joycean" at all, ever... *shudder* (Actually, Portrait of the Artist wasn't that bad. But Ulysses...)

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Bwah! You know, I've blocked most of high school required reading from my mind. It's behind a high wall. The Lottery? Metamorphosis? Ethan Frome? Never heard of 'em.
icepixie: (dreaming)

[personal profile] icepixie 2004-06-09 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. Well, POTA was just this past fall semester, in my sophomore year of college, so I haven't had time to forget it. ;) I actually haven't read all of Ulysses, but the parts I have read were less than thrilling.

I've blocked a good number of things from high school out of my brain, though. For instance, I have never heard of The Grapes of Wrath, nor Wuthering Heights. Nope, not me. (Of course, as a freaky English major, I'm currently reading Tess of the D'Urbervilles for fun, so nobody puts much stock in my opinions. ;))

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 06:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah. Grapes of Wrath and Wuthering Heights are erased from memory. Bye bye.

I have never heard of Tess of the D'Urbervilles. Hmm.
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[personal profile] icepixie 2004-06-09 08:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah. Grapes of Wrath and Wuthering Heights are erased from memory. Bye bye.

Yep. Those two, along with anything by Charles Dickens, William Faulkner (bad Southerner, I know, but I don't care), and The Red Badge of Courage are pretty much the only books that I have a truly visceral hatred for. I've found something to like about everything else I've had to read so far.

I have never heard of Tess of the D'Urbervilles. Hmm.

Heard of Thomas Hardy? He wrote The Mayor of Casterbridge, Jude the Obscure, and several other novels in the late nineteenth century. They're like Victorian soap operas, but the fact that Hardy is snarking hard on all his ridiculous characters comes through clearly. They're fabulous.

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-10 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't heard of Thomas Hardy. Well, the name sounds the vaugest of vaugely familiar...ness. I'm starting to think my education was seriously lacking!
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[personal profile] icepixie 2004-06-10 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
Heh. I think his most famous novel might actually be Far From the Madding Crowd...although English profs seem to like Tess, Mayor, and Jude more. I probably wouldn't have heard of him except for having to read Mayor in AP English two years ago.
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[personal profile] nandamai 2004-06-09 07:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Hey! The Lottery is a fine story. Excellent, even. Of course, since it's a short story, it is ... how did the idiot put it? I forget. Pointless? Lame?

What I'd really like to ask is where all of her long, involved, plot-driven stories full of Joycean epiphanies are archived. ;)

[identity profile] poohmusings.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. Dia's scared of The Lottery. Said the story freaks her out. Heh. I, on the other hand, read The Lottery, then went and read the one in which the wife bashed her husband's brains in with a frying pan. Fun stuff. ;)

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 07:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh so *that* explains it! You were traumatized at a young age!

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Yet another comment from you that did not reach my inbox. Excite knows it's YOU.

Hey! The Lottery is a fine story. Excellent, even. Of course, since it's a short story, it is ... how did the idiot put it? I forget. Pointless? Lame?

It's twisted, man! But unimportant. Yes.

What I'd really like to ask is where all of her long, involved, plot-driven stories full of Joycean epiphanies are archived. ;)

Area 52?

[identity profile] samkicksass.livejournal.com 2004-06-09 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Perhaps if you are having some profound insight while reading Joyce.

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-10 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
HOLY FLURKING SHNIT! I'M READING JOYCE!

[identity profile] samkicksass.livejournal.com 2004-06-10 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
yeah.

:)

[identity profile] pixiesio.livejournal.com 2004-06-10 02:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Only if you want to sound poncy. ;)

[identity profile] mrv3000.livejournal.com 2004-06-11 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
Oooo...I like that word. Poncy. *g*