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Step 1: Get sent something. Step 2: *scratch head* Step 3: Yap on and on about it. Step 4: Repeat
Yeah, I'm hearing of flailing going on after a certain something in Torchwood that relates to Doctor Who. And I then wonder, "well, what's so bad about...?" And *then* I start typing as I can't help myself.
Bad Wolf, baby!
Let me first say I'm not even 100% convinced that the appearance of "Bad Wolf" means Rose will return. I mean, I'd like it to, I won't lie, but that reference behind Jack could easily be a reference to his immortality and nothing more. Since it happened, you know, during the events of/by BadWolf!Rose. And who knows - perhaps BadWolf!Rose wanted the Doctor to have a hand to hold at this point in his life, and who better than someone immortal and someone he likes? And so the reference was that she wanted to bring them together, and that's why she kept him alive for a reason, as Jack said. Or something. Yeah, that's not very strong, is it?
I'm almost hesitant to throw this out there because it's such a "what if" thing. But apparently people have started expounding on the "what if" and so whatever. Again, I don't go looking for this stuff, but instead get emails from people. (Who seem to be very aware that it only angries up the blood. *eyes*)
But one issue that seems to keep popping up in the hand-wringing of the possibility of Rose's return is "Rose's story has already been told, dammit!" I'm gonna need a little help on this one to get me there.
In Army of Ghosts (or was it Doomsday – maybe both) there were her infamous words of "this is the last story I'll ever tell." Well, that served its purpose as a dramatic device, which was meant to mislead people into thinking that she might die by the end. But that's pretty much all you can put on it – a device, since even if she never comes back, it obviously won't be the last story she will ever tell. The "story" of her life will go on, one way or another. And since I'm talking external at the moment, I think both RTD and BP have said statements in effect of "never say never/anything can happen in sci-fi." So from a writing/show standpoint, I just don't think this can be ruled out just from the AoG words.
But now taking a look at the internal context of Rose's "story." A story of Rose's life has been told, but can you really say that her story in completion has been told? She ended up being ripped away from the one place she truly wanted to be in one of the most unresolved departures I've ever seen on TV. I guess one argument for this is that Rose needed to "grow up" and "go home," and in that way, her story has been told. Again, I'm gonna need a little help getting to how being sucked into an AU is "going home" and/or "growing up." (Not that I don't have huge problems with this Rose-growing-up/go-home concept at a fundamental level, but that would be another 10 pages right there.)
You know, one thing I never seem to hear in all this never-ending Rose debate, is what about the Doctor? No one ever really seems to focus on him for some reason, and I just don't get that. What about the Doctor's story? To me, The Runaway Bride pointed out that the Doctor needs something in his life beyond the endless travel. And yeah, that's a huge departure from Classic Who, where he was pleased as punch to be this eccentric nomad and that's it. No, I do not think he's suddenly itching to settle down with a mortgage. He loves his life/lifestyle and can't picture him ever leaving the TARDIS. But he also needs something more, which is now part of his story. And Rose really is that something more to him. There's probably that knee-jerk in some circles of, "oh God, not her," but fools in love and all that. She makes him profoundly happy - with her he's loved, accepted, belongs, is balanced, has a best friend who loves his life as much as he does, and probably several other reasons all his own. But if he can't have Rose back in his life, then I'm really hoping the Face of Boe's secret is a long lost kid (a concept I loathed pre-The Runaway Bride) or another Time Lord's out there or something. Because to me, his story right now is about needing Rose, but he may have to settle for something else, sadly.
So, no. I do not think that Rose's story has been completely told, nor do I think the story of the Doctor and Rose has been completely told. However, it might be, as far as what we actually get on screen – who knows what this "Bad Wolf" will really end up meaning. And then I guess we gotta stick with fic.
I just ask one thing – if we do see Rose at the end of S3, please let it be that BP has signed on for S4 as I seriously could not take yet another Doomsday separation, even if it came in the form of "she's better off where she is." That's fine for Rose and all, but yet another sledgehammer to the Doctor. I rather like the Doctor, and am getting sick of him getting beaten up. So if the plan is to discover Rose's fantastic AU life where she decides to stay in the AU, or she's too old to go back with him or something, I would MUCH rather they not have Rose reappear at all. *pats the Doctor*
Heh. There are still going to be wars and debates over Rose 30 years from now, aren't there? Fandom, you so crazy.
Bad Wolf, baby!
Let me first say I'm not even 100% convinced that the appearance of "Bad Wolf" means Rose will return. I mean, I'd like it to, I won't lie, but that reference behind Jack could easily be a reference to his immortality and nothing more. Since it happened, you know, during the events of/by BadWolf!Rose. And who knows - perhaps BadWolf!Rose wanted the Doctor to have a hand to hold at this point in his life, and who better than someone immortal and someone he likes? And so the reference was that she wanted to bring them together, and that's why she kept him alive for a reason, as Jack said. Or something. Yeah, that's not very strong, is it?
I'm almost hesitant to throw this out there because it's such a "what if" thing. But apparently people have started expounding on the "what if" and so whatever. Again, I don't go looking for this stuff, but instead get emails from people. (Who seem to be very aware that it only angries up the blood. *eyes*)
But one issue that seems to keep popping up in the hand-wringing of the possibility of Rose's return is "Rose's story has already been told, dammit!" I'm gonna need a little help on this one to get me there.
In Army of Ghosts (or was it Doomsday – maybe both) there were her infamous words of "this is the last story I'll ever tell." Well, that served its purpose as a dramatic device, which was meant to mislead people into thinking that she might die by the end. But that's pretty much all you can put on it – a device, since even if she never comes back, it obviously won't be the last story she will ever tell. The "story" of her life will go on, one way or another. And since I'm talking external at the moment, I think both RTD and BP have said statements in effect of "never say never/anything can happen in sci-fi." So from a writing/show standpoint, I just don't think this can be ruled out just from the AoG words.
But now taking a look at the internal context of Rose's "story." A story of Rose's life has been told, but can you really say that her story in completion has been told? She ended up being ripped away from the one place she truly wanted to be in one of the most unresolved departures I've ever seen on TV. I guess one argument for this is that Rose needed to "grow up" and "go home," and in that way, her story has been told. Again, I'm gonna need a little help getting to how being sucked into an AU is "going home" and/or "growing up." (Not that I don't have huge problems with this Rose-growing-up/go-home concept at a fundamental level, but that would be another 10 pages right there.)
You know, one thing I never seem to hear in all this never-ending Rose debate, is what about the Doctor? No one ever really seems to focus on him for some reason, and I just don't get that. What about the Doctor's story? To me, The Runaway Bride pointed out that the Doctor needs something in his life beyond the endless travel. And yeah, that's a huge departure from Classic Who, where he was pleased as punch to be this eccentric nomad and that's it. No, I do not think he's suddenly itching to settle down with a mortgage. He loves his life/lifestyle and can't picture him ever leaving the TARDIS. But he also needs something more, which is now part of his story. And Rose really is that something more to him. There's probably that knee-jerk in some circles of, "oh God, not her," but fools in love and all that. She makes him profoundly happy - with her he's loved, accepted, belongs, is balanced, has a best friend who loves his life as much as he does, and probably several other reasons all his own. But if he can't have Rose back in his life, then I'm really hoping the Face of Boe's secret is a long lost kid (a concept I loathed pre-The Runaway Bride) or another Time Lord's out there or something. Because to me, his story right now is about needing Rose, but he may have to settle for something else, sadly.
So, no. I do not think that Rose's story has been completely told, nor do I think the story of the Doctor and Rose has been completely told. However, it might be, as far as what we actually get on screen – who knows what this "Bad Wolf" will really end up meaning. And then I guess we gotta stick with fic.
I just ask one thing – if we do see Rose at the end of S3, please let it be that BP has signed on for S4 as I seriously could not take yet another Doomsday separation, even if it came in the form of "she's better off where she is." That's fine for Rose and all, but yet another sledgehammer to the Doctor. I rather like the Doctor, and am getting sick of him getting beaten up. So if the plan is to discover Rose's fantastic AU life where she decides to stay in the AU, or she's too old to go back with him or something, I would MUCH rather they not have Rose reappear at all. *pats the Doctor*
Heh. There are still going to be wars and debates over Rose 30 years from now, aren't there? Fandom, you so crazy.