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X2
Giving in to internet peer pressure (just how sad is that?) I went and saw X2 today. Very entertaining! Pretty sweet special effects!
My only problem was that the only exposure I've had to this universe was watching the first movie. And while I wasn't in any way lost during the second movie, I couldn't help but feel I was missing *a lot* because I didn't really know the characters or the big overall picture.
And, of course, there were trailers. Lots and lots of trailers.
My only problem was that the only exposure I've had to this universe was watching the first movie. And while I wasn't in any way lost during the second movie, I couldn't help but feel I was missing *a lot* because I didn't really know the characters or the big overall picture.
- Were Jean and Scott supposed to be married or something? A couple of small things were said that made me wonder.
- Are the movies set before the comic book series? Or during the comic book series? Both movies felt like a lot of back-story. But maybe that's because I had it in my mind that the X-Men were a group of crime fighters, like the Justice League or something, and it seemed like they hadn't gotten to that point yet in the movies. Yes? No? I guess I'm really curious where the movies fit in the storyline.
- The metal in the blood thing - cool but ewwwwww!!
- It was really nice seeing the same actors in the 2nd movie! And speaking of which, tons of familiar faces in this (aside from the main cast). Familiar in that I knew I had seen them *somewhere* before. I only placed two of them on the spot - two actors that had been on Stargate: Jill Teed and Peter Wingfield.
And, of course, there were trailers. Lots and lots of trailers.
- The Matrix. - {drool} Fantastic visuals! Ooooooooo! Cannot wait!
- The Hulk - erm...the Hulk was a bit too "cartoony" for my taste - would have rather had a more realistic look like the CGI Spiderman. Looked seriously off from the rest of the action. As in Scooby Doo off.
- 28 Days Later - I've heard it's supposed to be interesting, but the trailer was a big mess.
- Hollywood Homicide - Harrison Ford. Yet another buddy cop movie with the grouchy, wise, older cop and the young, cocky rookie. But wait - it's a comedy. Woo. Hoo.
- Stuck On You - Conjoined twin comedy. At first glance :P, but it was done by the Farrelly brothers and as much as I hate to admit it, There's Something About Mary had me laughing so hard I was crying.
- Finding Nemo - Latest Pixar/Disney. Okay, I'm sure I won't see it in the theater, but it looked pretty funny and very cute.
- The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen - Sean Connery could read the phone book and it'd sound cool. Don't know about the movie though - it didn't really grab me. But you never know. Is it based on a comic book? The name sounds vaguely familiar.
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Were Jean and Scott supposed to be married or something? A couple of small things were said that made me wonder.
Yeah, they mentioned that they were married. Well, Jean said something like "I married a good one." And in the comics they did get married. After a looooooooooooooooooooot of backstory. Oy, with the backstory.
Are the movies set before the comic book series? Or during the comic book series?
They're kind of an AU to the comic series that hacks the bits that are cool into one big amalgam. Example, when they casually called Rogue 'Marie' in the last movie, both me and Mo sqwauked to high heaven because they've NEVER given her a name in the comics. Nearly twenty years, and not even a last name, and BOOM! They call her Marie.
Both movies felt like a lot of back-story. But maybe that's because I had it in my mind that the X-Men were a group of crime fighters, like the Justice League or something, and it seemed like they hadn't gotten to that point yet in the movies. Yes? No?
Heh. Well, they are kind of crime fighters, but not really. They've pretty much been declared a terrorist group in about seventeen different countries. Basically they're the 'good' mutants trying to patrol and 'rehabilitate' the 'bad' mutants. But because they tend to leave a lot of property damage in their wake, and they aren't all down with diplomacy, they keep getting outlawed. And killed.
I guess I'm really curious where the movies fit in the storyline.
They're basically the AU cousin to main X-canon. But then, we've got Extreme and Ultimate (new comic titles) that are *also* AU cousins to the main X-canon.
Familiar in that I knew I had seen them *somewhere* before.
Considering they shot in Vancouver where SG is filmed, it makes sense. Prolly a lot of the back ground guys got hired for some day work. :)
LXG: Is it based on a comic book? The name sounds vaguely familiar.
*squealflap!* Yes! YES! A million times, yes! It is probably one of the keenest comic series ever. It was done by Alan Moore and this other guy who's famous. Don't remember though. It's really neat because it takes literary figures and makes them all JLA-like, but not.
Grr, that made no sense.
Okay, example. The Invisible Man's in this. And he's a right bastard, but he's been enlisted to save the world. And Sean as Alain Quartermaine! *bounce*
Man, I am just in geeker heaven.
I guess I'm really curious where the movies fit in the storyline.
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I am SO looking forward to this!!
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Have you seen the theater trailer for it yet?
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Yup - they showed it when I saw X2. Don't know if they're showing different trailers, but the one I saw looked really good!
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The one they showed here left me wondering - kind of a "huh?" reaction. But I'm getting the feeling it was another case of me not being in the know.
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Could be {nods}.
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Rule number one about Marvel comics (or any comics): Canon is a myth. There is no canon!
However, there are some self-evident truths that will remain as long as old Stan Lee is still up and breathing.
1. Scott and Jean will always belong together.
2. The X-men will always be hunted.
3. Everything will be confused as all heck.
And, AJ, I thought that Extreme was just a new title to X-Men, like Uncanny. I know Ultimate is set in an AU. I even bought some of the books - the artwork was awesome. Stopped around #12 and have only recently caught up to #20-ish via the 'special editions' they bring out.
Michelle, it's very very confusing. There's the "main" storyline of X-men comics which has been going for thirty-plus years. At one stage this main storyline dipped into an AU called the Age of Apocalypse - and that was everything. Not just X-men, but Avengers, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, every Marvel comic set in the X-men universe went kaput for a total four months while they pursued this psychotic storyline. It was utterly cool! Mad, insane, unbelievable and freaky, but COOL!
They got out of the Age of Apocalypse AU in (mostly) one piece, had a few characters that returned into the main universe. Had one character that somehow got flung out of the main universe (Alex Summers, Scott's brother) and into a parallel universe.
And then they cancelled some of the old books (X-Factor, Excaliber, and Generation X). They mutated X-Force, X-Men, and Uncanny X-Men; and I still don't know what they did with X-Man or Cable. And they introduced X-Universe - younger, 2000s versions of the X-men, Prof, Scott, Jean, Hank (Beast) McCoy, Bobby Drake, Peter (Colossus) Rasputin, and Wolvy (of course).
I thought that Uncanny mutated into Extreme X-Men, actually.
All this X-Men stuff is luring back to my old unfinished X-Men fics. ::grabs hold of Stargate fics:: NOOOOOOOOOO!
God, I'm too young to be a frelling dino.
Rule number one about Marvel comics (or any comics): Canon is a myth. There is no canon!
Dude, word.
However, there are some self-evident truths that will remain as long as old Stan Lee is still up and breathing.
Whooo, Stan! Although he did bail on WW last year and that was of the suck. But... it's 2:30am here and thinking is not my strong point. Anyway, Whooooo!
1. Scott and Jean will always belong together.
Again, word.
3. Everything will be confused as all heck.
Uber-Word. But it is rather cool to be able to give a ten minute response to a simple question. Ahh, X-Men. You prepared me for all of my history finals in one way or another.
And, AJ, I thought that Extreme was just a new title to X-Men, like Uncanny.
BAH! BAH! I do not care! I stopped reading before the geniuses at Marvel brought out the Horror that was Onslaught (which they've since retconned... GRRR!) and did everything in their own power to frell continuity, my favorite chracters, and anything that might resemble sympathy into the floor and beyond.
I'll admit that some of the new stuff is interesting, but I'm grudging for the old school stuff. And how sad is it that 1997 is now old school?
Michelle, it's very very confusing.
HA!
At one stage this main storyline dipped into an AU called the Age of Apocalypse - and that was everything. Not just X-men, but Avengers, Fantastic Four, Iron Man, every Marvel comic set in the X-men universe went kaput for a total four months while they pursued this psychotic storyline. It was utterly cool! Mad, insane, unbelievable and freaky, but COOL!
SQUEEE! Dude, AOA rocked the damn house. Marvel at it's finest. Well, partially finest. I'll always have a soft spot for 'Fall of the Mutants', and consequentally Maddie. ::pats Maddie:: Yes, yours and Scott's and Jean's lives sucked major biscuit.
And then they cancelled some of the old books (X-Factor, Excaliber, and Generation X).
BAH! BAH!
They mutated X-Force, X-Men, and Uncanny X-Men;
Again, BAH! They killed my Sam (again), and Jimmy and Terry! BAH!
and I still don't know what they did with X-Man or Cable.
*bangs head on desk* Oh, you don't want to. Nate Grey died (I think) and Nateums just went crazy 'round the bend and got all political. Soldier X was Marvel's attempt at a social conscious by way of Kordey and McCann. McCann's writing was not so bad, but I still want Kordey dead. What is up with that? First Casey and Landron (BAH! A MILLION TIMES BAH!) and now Kordey and McCann. I frelling well weep.
On the upside, WeaponX (which seems to be X-Force reformed but with Dom in a mime outfit (...)) seems to be ignoring it all and just forging ahead. I'm finding myself admiring that.
And they introduced X-Universe - younger, 2000s versions of the X-men, Prof, Scott, Jean, Hank (Beast) McCoy, Bobby Drake, Peter (Colossus) Rasputin, and Wolvy (of course).
BAH! My Scott and Jean would not break up! My Bobby would not have even been a possibility at teh father of Opal's baby! Didn't Piotr die? And can I set every version of ProfX but Movieverse on fire? Peeeeeease?
Gah.. hands ache... nini...
Dear, you're not the only dino around here. Trust me!
See, I came in during Onslaught, but the thing was that I actually got addicted on back issues (and the AoA! Oh, I ::heart:: the AoA! It was like a train wreck, horrible, gruesome, dreadful, twisted, psychotic, and you couldn't look away if your life depended on it!) and stuck around for another three years before I lost the plot (it was very easy by that stage) and gave up. Actually, when they canned GenX I think that might have been it, although by that time I was into X-Force (they were on a road trip for a while and it was heaps of fun!)
BAH! My Scott and Jean would not break up! My Bobby would not have even been a possibility at teh father of Opal's baby! Didn't Piotr die?
Scott and Jean broke up? What? When did this happen? Don't tell me, I know I won't like the answer. Bobby's the father of Opal's baby? I remember Colossus dying and Kitty going to college or something like that.
Hmm...Isn't X-Universe the one where they're young and in their 20s? And Scott and Jean have never been going out, so when Wolvy turns up and they take him in, Jean and he end up in bed, but when he turns out to be in the pay of Magneto, she kicks him out and about 15 issues later she and Scott are an item and they squished the Phoenix Saga into two issues (which I'm very impressed with) and Bobby has to go back home to his family and they're on the run from the press, and Hank gives up the ghost because he 'falls in love' with some chick online (after falling in love with 'Ro and dating her for a spell) and then Magneto comes back and Scott and Wolvy are sent to Antarctica and the Savage Land and Kitty sneaks on board with them, something happens to Scott and only Logan comes back...
And wow, that was one sentence.
I think that's about 20 issues...
Mich, just trust us - if all this can happen in 20 issues (and that's not even counting all the little things that I haven't included like them being caught by the people who adamantium'd Wolvy and forced to kill other people/mutants...) - then 35+ years of Marvel Comics X-Men Backstory is worse than any of the daytime soaps.
And can I set every version of ProfX but Movieverse on fire? Peeeeeease?
Actually, I rather like Prof X of X-Universe. He's walking very close to abusing his powers and it's quite interesting to watch him. "No more Professor Nice Guy!" But I generally liked the Prof.
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HOLY CRAP! *g*
Okay, I'm more like a Kmoto Drago.
WHOOO, X-Force! I love me my Jimmy. It amused me that he listens to Porno for Pyros. So. Frelling. Funny. But that was after Nate had left the team, which saddens me. I *liked* when Nate and Dom were running around with X-Force. It was the Brady Bunch from hell.
Scott and Jean broke up? What? When did this happen? Don't tell me, I know I won't like the answer.
*sigh* Yeah. It was after he came back from the dead. He was all mentally futzy and Jean was... well, badly written. Jean's kinda doing things with Wolvie and Emma was macking on Scott up until she got shattered. Don't ask. Just... don't.
Bobby's the father of Opal's baby?
Happily, no. Although he and Northstar are being cute at each other. Well, Northstar's being cute at Bobby and Bobby's all "Eh?"
I remember Colossus dying and Kitty going to college or something like that.
Yeah. He died curing the Legacy virus. I just shook my head and went "TF?"
Oh, and Extreme. Bah. Extreme. See, I walked into the X-Men and loved it because of the massive amounts of backstory. I *liked* the fact that I had 35+ years of stuff to go over and connect. This whole "Wow! It's the same characters, but they're new! They're different!" thing is interesting, but mostly it just pissed me off. They didn't want to sit down and fix the stuff that'd gone before, they just wanted to start over.
And that was just lazy to me.
Yes, I'm crotchety and bitter at 22.
As for Prof. Bah. I like that he's being PUBLICALLY evil now. I've always thought he was an amoral fuckwit before, now there's just canon proof. (Remind me to tell you my theory about everything being the Professor's fault. Scarily, it made sense.)
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Ah, see, I like Extreme (if that's the one with young Scott, Jean, Hank, Storm, Bobby, Colossus, ProfX and Wolvie) because it has no backstory...and yet it does. Things wash in from other universes - but you don't know what will turn up on the doorstep.
That's the cool bit. Knowing the storm is coming, but not what the damage will be.
And the artwork was nice. Much nicer than whatever twerp was doing the main X-Men continuity.
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X-Treme (yes, the spelling is stupid) X-Men is in current continuity. The current canon titles are New X-Men, Uncanny, and X-Treme. X-Treme is written by Chris Claremont and while it has a kinda cheesy old-school flair about it, I really think he's done right by the characters, and the whole spirit of the X-Men concept. The "fresh start" AU that I can't bother with because, really, it's hard enough keeping track of the "real" characters, is Ultimate X-Men. Most of the Ultimate Marvel titles are very well done, but I can't commit myself to them.
And last I checked, Sam and Jimmy and the rest of the old X-Force are still alive (last I heard). I think Sam is currently appearing in X-Treme, actually. Or Uncanny. One of 'em. I haven't bought comics in a while.
And dude, Bobby and Jean-Paul injure me with their cuteness!
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*raising hand* I started in 1987. Or maybe 1988. So, talk about old school, and the scary thing is that [Bad username or site: @ livejournal.com] stopped reading just a little bit before I started.
::scritches a Tina::
*sighs* I am a target audience all by myself, I *swear*.
target audience a-waitin' for the obsession!
Join the club, hon! My life has been punctuated by fandoms for the last seven years since I shared a place with a guy who collected Marvel comics. I got into X-men around 1996, Terry Pratchett (published author) around 1997, Melanie Rawn (published author) in 1998, Buffy in 1999-2000, and Stargate in 2001. Some came and went (Buffy only lasted S3-S4 although I did the backstory stuff), I have friends in RL that came from the Pterry fandom, I dropped X-men about three years ago, and I dropped MR fandom about the same time...
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So does he write all the Marvel comics? Or oversee a group of writers? How does that work?
Stan "The Man" Lee!
See... no. Stan Lee was the Uberkind back in the early 1960's who created books like Spiderman, The Fantastic Four, and The X-Men along with a slew of others. Basically he's the creator who still owns rights to all these books and therefore has some really good say in what can and cannot happen.
Marvel's basically his bitch.
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Must be nice for consistency.
Marvel's basically his bitch.
Heh.
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Oh boy.
1. Scott and Jean will always belong together.
Okay - good to know. They were playing the Logan/Jean thing pretty strong in the movies.
2. The X-men will always be hunted.
Makes sense.
3. Everything will be confused as all heck.
Aw crap. ;)
Michelle, it's very very confusing.
{nods}
It was utterly cool! Mad, insane, unbelievable and freaky, but COOL!
Whoa. That sounds fun! I bet fans of the comics were going nuts! :)
Yeesh! Tons of AUs. Still don't know how you guys keep it all straight.
All this X-Men stuff is luring back to my old unfinished X-Men fics. ::grabs hold of Stargate fics:: NOOOOOOOOOO!
Uh oh! *waves bye-bye* ;)
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Which is supported in the not-really-cannon-but-close series. Plus. Hugh Jackman! Hugh Jackman doing his sexy voice! The director knew women would respond well to Hugh Jackman doing his sexy voice. Hell, straight men respond well to it.
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I won't deny that! *g*
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Oh, Jean and Logan have always been attracted to each other, even in the comics, but they always left her paired with Scott in the end. Although I hear that's changed in the comics.
I like Scott and Jean.
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Hee!
Yeah, they mentioned that they were married. Well, Jean said something like "I married a good one." And in the comics they did get married. After a looooooooooooooooooooot of backstory. Oy, with the backstory.
Well, I *thought* that's what she said, but that was about the only thing that made a reference to it, so I wasn't sure. So Logan & Jean is a big no? (Not that I would want those two together.)
Heh. Well, they are kind of crime fighters, but not really. They've pretty much been declared a terrorist group in about seventeen different countries. Basically they're the 'good' mutants trying to patrol and 'rehabilitate' the 'bad' mutants. But because they tend to leave a lot of property damage in their wake, and they aren't all down with diplomacy, they keep getting outlawed. And killed.
Okay - that makes a lot more sense. I kept waiting for them to don their capes and save the world.
They're basically the AU cousin to main X-canon. But then, we've got Extreme and Ultimate (new comic titles) that are *also* AU cousins to the main X-canon.
Eep! How do you keep it all straight?
LXG: Is it based on a comic book? The name sounds vaguely familiar.
*squealflap!* Yes! YES! A million times, yes! It is probably one of the keenest comic series ever. It was done by Alan Moore and this other guy who's famous. Don't remember though. It's really neat because it takes literary figures and makes them all JLA-like, but not.
I'm glad you're around to explain all these things to me. :)
Grr, that made no sense.
Yeah it did. :)
Man, I am just in geeker heaven.
Good! Looks like a summer of comic book movies and you'll have to help everyone through. {looks around} Okay, so you'll have to help *me* through. ;)
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*grin* No problem! If all else fails, I'll know *someone* who has the answers. And thusly I am still grateful for #subcafe.
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Actually, it was "Girls flirt with the bad guy, Logan. They marry the good guy." They never actually said whether Scott and Jean were married yet, and I actually kind of doubt it, since it's only supposed to have been a month since Liberty Island. But they've been engaged all along, and sharing a room.
Considering they shot in Vancouver where SG is filmed, it makes sense. Prolly a lot of the back ground guys got hired for some day work. :)
I'm personally most entertained by the snippet of Hank McCoy on the TV in the bar, played by Daniel's dad/Seth. But I'm weird that way.
It was done by Alan Moore and this other guy who's famous.
Still is, actually, although they manage to put out maybe two issues a year.
I'm still boggling over Mina doing the bat thing. Obviously this will require some serious adjustment to my sense of LXG reality. Which is no big, because I'm a great believer that any adaptation must and should be its own entity, but I did get a "whafu?" moment there.
Also vastly entertained by the trailer basically being "This movie has Sean Connery and a bunch of other people who flit by in a big blur." *snerk*
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Wow! Great eyes!
You know, until just now I didn't even realize that Daniel's dad & Seth were played by the same guy! Duh!
JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN! (Sorry, that just entertains me.)
Yeah, they never actually *said*. But that line, and a couple other little indicators kinda raised the "HELLO!" sign. And was it only a month? Huh. Did they say that somewhere? Has it only been that short a time? I'd have thought it was maybe four or five months at least. Espeically with the haircuts, etc.
Or, y'know. Less craptacular wigs.
I'm personally most entertained by the snippet of Hank McCoy on the TV in the bar, played by Daniel's dad/Seth.
Was it him? I know I squealed when I saw "Hank McCoy" (I am a HUGE Beastfangirl. I even have issues of Avengers WestCoast.) But was it Seth? Bwah!
Still is, actually, although they manage to put out maybe two issues a year.
*sigh* Yeah. I'm getting Volume II as it comes out. But I did do a rather amusing round of squealing and flapping when they did the John Carter of Mars stuff. I actually *have* that series. Edgar Rice Burroughs was on some serious Drugs back in the day.
Although, I'm damn amused at the fact they named John Crichton what they did because the JCOM parallels just about killed me.
And random Stargate question. Do you think they named Sam "Carter" in an homage to John Carter? Because I'd pay serious money to see Jack in a gold lamee bra.
I'm still boggling over Mina doing the bat thing.
Gah! Yes! And you're right about the "Okay. This is an AU. Accept." bit. But I am rather glad they got Peta Wilson to be her. Girl can kick ass, and Mina? Ass-kicking girl.
Also vastly entertained by the trailer basically being "This movie has Sean Connery and a bunch of other people who flit by in a big blur."
*snort* No kidding. I really hope it's more indepth than that. Although the whole thing does *look* really stylish. I don't care, I'm going because it's LXG and push come to shove and it's worse than the Avengers movie, there's still hope for people in bear suits.
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{snort}
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I expected it to be longer too, but something in Stryker's conversation with the Pres indicated about a month. Can't remember exactly what it was now. But Jack had come away from his first viewing thinking it was longer, had a disagreement with someone in our gaming group about it, and then decided on second viewing that it was only a month.
And random Stargate question. Do you think they named Sam "Carter" in an homage to John Carter?
It wouldn't surprise me.
Because I'd pay serious money to see Jack in a gold lamee bra.
*howls with laughter*
But I am rather glad they got Peta Wilson to be her. Girl can kick ass, and Mina? Ass-kicking girl.
Yup. And (as near as I could tell from split-second flashes) she makes a better brunette than I expected.
Word.
Oh, definitely. And the woman does look rather good in leather, no matter what. *nod*