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The Satan Pit
Somewhere around the 1 hour mark of my drive home today, my brain went boom.
I've been doing these essays on DW after episodes lately, just because I find so much of the way this season's arc has been maneuvered to be so groovy.
But this episode? *FLAILS* I keep getting into logic circles trying to dismantle it all, particularly the "If I believe in one thing. Just one thing. I believe in her!" line. (Which I totally didn't squee at. Nope. Okay, maybe.)
I mean, just with this *line* you have things like belief beyond logic (i.e, faith), which relates to Rose being god-ized by DW's "god," which relates to Doctor/Rose equality issues, which relates to love... But for some reason I think that the faith thing is bigger/deeper than simply being the love and so not only is there a lot, it doesn't completely tie together in a neat bow.
And then you have the Doctor's "death wish" which I don't think is a true death wish, a prophesy that *could* be tied to the future (you never know with those nutters in Wales) but that I felt was more self-contained within the episode (especially because of a certain line), and Rose becoming the Doctor. Just, you know, BOOM.
Maybe I should listen to the commentary to see if they gave any clues. But where's the fun in that? It's like looking in the back of the book for the answer to a puzzle. And I usually like my nutjob answers better. ;)
I just have to say that for two people who have so much trust, so much faith and so much love between them, the fact that they get freaked out when talking about buying a house together cracks. me. the. hell. up. They're so stupid cute. *pinches cheeks*
And so I'm going to go get some ice cream and then maybe take a nap. Nap sounds really good.
I've been doing these essays on DW after episodes lately, just because I find so much of the way this season's arc has been maneuvered to be so groovy.
But this episode? *FLAILS* I keep getting into logic circles trying to dismantle it all, particularly the "If I believe in one thing. Just one thing. I believe in her!" line. (Which I totally didn't squee at. Nope. Okay, maybe.)
I mean, just with this *line* you have things like belief beyond logic (i.e, faith), which relates to Rose being god-ized by DW's "god," which relates to Doctor/Rose equality issues, which relates to love... But for some reason I think that the faith thing is bigger/deeper than simply being the love and so not only is there a lot, it doesn't completely tie together in a neat bow.
And then you have the Doctor's "death wish" which I don't think is a true death wish, a prophesy that *could* be tied to the future (you never know with those nutters in Wales) but that I felt was more self-contained within the episode (especially because of a certain line), and Rose becoming the Doctor. Just, you know, BOOM.
Maybe I should listen to the commentary to see if they gave any clues. But where's the fun in that? It's like looking in the back of the book for the answer to a puzzle. And I usually like my nutjob answers better. ;)
I just have to say that for two people who have so much trust, so much faith and so much love between them, the fact that they get freaked out when talking about buying a house together cracks. me. the. hell. up. They're so stupid cute. *pinches cheeks*
And so I'm going to go get some ice cream and then maybe take a nap. Nap sounds really good.
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Rather than a death wish, I've more gotten the feeling like he maybe thinks he can't die. Or possibly doesn't care if he does -- Ten seems so reckless sometimes. I don't think he wants to die, but there's not so much self preservation being shown.
I just have to say that for two people who have so much trust, so much faith and so much love between them, the fact that they get freaked out when talking about buying a house together cracks. me. the. hell. up.
Yes! They're just so funny sometimes. I think they are okay with feeling all those things, but talking about it? No way.
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Yeah, that's pretty much my feeling of it all. Plus, you know, not human. It's really hard to apply human traits/motivations to him sometimes.
Yes! They're just so funny sometimes. I think they are okay with feeling all those things, but talking about it? No way.
I know. :D Such dorks.
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and all I can say is last weeks was for me a boring episode, and i wasnt going to bother with pt2. am so glad I did.
In charge rose was really good. she's learnt a lot and grown so much.
But I have to say the "tell her that....tell her that....oh she knows" made me Squee. bigtime.
very shippy episode.
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But I have to say the "tell her that....tell her that....oh she knows" made me Squee. bigtime.
Me too even though that's SUCH a guy thing. "Why do I have to say 'I love you' since she knows?" *narrows eyes* :D
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Wait...what?
Part of me is nodding along to the section about Rose > The Universe And Why That's Bad in Nos's review, while another part is going, "Squee! Teh faith! Teh love!" I don't really know what to make of it.
I just have to say that for two people who have so much trust, so much faith and so much love between them, the fact that they get freaked out when talking about buying a house together cracks. me. the. hell. up.
Yes. Yes, it does. *g*
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The way she took charge, her "Danny-boys", her mannerisms...she fell back on him even though he wasn't there. It's very sweet.
Part of me is nodding along to the section about Rose > The Universe And Why That's Bad in Nos's review,
Oh, I'm not even going to go there since we'll only just disagree. And just from the title, I already know what our disagreement will be this time. We've probably been down this road before. Can't remember. But Nos and I disagree about everything (not in an OMGFLAME way, I've actually had fun debating her). But it's a odd day when we agree on something (http://community.livejournal.com/doctor_plus_one/2191.html?thread=24207#t24207). :D Basically I try and avoid places that get me worked up.
"Squee! Teh faith! Teh love!" I don't really know what to make of it.
Go with the squee. ;)
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I didn't even think about it that way, but you're right. And it is very sweet. It's definitely a more advanced version of what she was attempting to do in "The Christmas Invasion," but she has more experience under her belt and her world hasn't just been turned upside down. I loved it; it's the Rose I've been wanting to see for a little while.
Oh, I'm not even going to go there since we'll only just disagree.
I saw the way her post was linked on who_daily ("has h8 for this episode"?? Sheez), and knew avoiding it was the only way to go. I like her posts sometimes, but others?
Go with the squee.
When I wasn't metaphorically biting my nails for their safety - my suspension of disbelief did very well this episode - I squeed throughout this episode. I loved it.
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Yeah, the "someone has to be the Doctor" thing. :)
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Ah, gotcha. The way it was put at the end of that paragraph about prophesies and other big characer stuff made me go, "becoming, like, literally?" Possibly I need more sleep. Or more caffeine.
Heh, you and Nos are kind of polar opposites on the Rose/Doctor thing. ;) I've found myself agreeing with her more and more this season, possibly because she's admitted that her Rose H8 is starting to moderate a little, and it shows in her episode analyses. I dunno. For a while, before TIL, I was getting very ambivalent about the 'ship for various reasons anyway.
Go with the squee. ;)
Yay for squee. :)
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HA! No. :D
Heh, you and Nos are kind of polar opposites on the Rose/Doctor thing. ;)
Pretty much. :D
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We always knew that they trusted - and yes, goddammit - loved each other, but somehow having faith in the other, in the context of that whole episode, meant so much more.
I am going to have to do some serious rewatching of that ep, with my laptop in front of me, for as-we-go analysis.
Even then I can't promise that my brain will just get tied up in the details and intricacies and simplicity of it all.
Trust. Love. Faith.
Oh, just shag already...No. Don't. Because that would actually lessen it. This is better than that. This is way better than that.
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I know! I may never type something up.
We always knew that they trusted - and yes, goddammit - loved each other, but somehow having faith in the other, in the context of that whole episode, meant so much more.
Yup. And it wasn't just the Doctor having absolute faith in Rose, they showed it in Rose as well with the "tell me Satan doesn't exist." Because if he had, that would have been that.
I am going to have to do some serious rewatching of that ep, with my laptop in front of me, for as-we-go analysis.
Even then I can't promise that my brain will just get tied up in the details and intricacies and simplicity of it all.
Trust. Love. Faith.
It really was a wonderfully profound episode.
Oh, just shag already...No. Don't. Because that would actually lessen it. This is better than that. This is way better than that.
*snickers* Yeah, we're probably naturally too fixated on having some kind of end goal, like sex, that will make the relationship happy forever and ever. Or something. In SG-1 Sam/Jack it was a kiss. "If only they would kiss, everything would be okay." Yeah. I don't know, I'm having fun with the journey instead of trying to press towards the end.
However, if they showed them waking up in bed together in the next episode, I would be like, "Well, DUH." ;)
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They're just so freaking adorable. Also, they can't say the words. Well, at least the Doctor can't. I don't remember if we've seen Rose make an attempt ever. And honestly, Doctor? I'm not sure Rose does know. Not the extent, anyway.
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It's just so funny. Battle freaky alien monsters? No prob. Talk about *that*? Eeek!
And honestly, Doctor? I'm not sure Rose does know. Not the extent, anyway.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
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