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Since this is almost the half-way point of series 3 of Doctor Who, and they're taking a break next week, thought I'd sum up my thoughts so far. Also, there's a comment based on the promo for the rest of S3.

It's like I keep waiting for something. I think maybe I'm waiting to get excited about an episode, which just hasn't happened yet for me. There were so many episodes in S1 and S2 that I had utter love for, and when I first saw School Reunion, I nearly had a spaz meltdown over it.

But S3 to me so far has seemed like so much going through the motions - there's a sort of disconnect there. And I'm not sure if it's because it seems like *the Doctor* is sort of disconnected and going through the motions or not. But all the S1 and S2 elements and sometimes *actual lines* are not helping. At times it feels like we're in reduxland, and I get frustrated because I'm not sure WHY we're there.

This is all some sort of RTD master plan to make us empathize with the Doctor in this sort of repeating endlessness, isn't it? That we're supposed to get tired with him? Okay, maybe not.

I had a happy, fun, cheesy, scary time travel show. Where did it go? Maybe I just need to get my DW-goodness from the classic series and hope for a better S4. Because after seeing the promo for the rest of S3, looks like we're in for *more* tired/old/destroyed Doctor. To quote

mls03j, "Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?"

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Funnily enough, I've been feeling the same way about this season, but seeing the promo for the rest of the season had me bouncing around. Could be my Jack!love or my John Simm!love (aka Saxon). *shrug*

I am looking forward to Jack, but he's a ways off yet. And sadly, I haven't got a clue who John Simm is (other than the Master.)

I fell for him watching "Life on Mars". Only two seasons (and 16 eps) long, but a great and unique series.

I've seen people posting about that show, but haven't really paid attention. Worth watching, eh?

Definitely. You think it's going one way, then it surprises you and goes another.

Oooh, I like shows like that.

The first season has been showing here in Canada, and season 2 will be showing right after, so who knows, they may eventually be putting out the DVDs for R1, if we're lucky.

The finale for that screwed with my head; I still don't get it, even now.

I've heard that one was a trip!

Oh, it was! But it's a trip worth taking.

Heh...I dunno, maybe my brain is weird (okay, it is ;), but I got it. Messed up as it was!

Is it bad that we're looking forward to S4 ALREADY?

I think it's a lose/lose situation though, if the Doctor was fine and bouncy we'd be complaining that "hey! remember, there was this girl. Kinda important, y'know, since you LOVED her. Her name ROSE, ring a bell?"

But I agree, so far there has been no episode that OMG I NEED TO REWATCH!

Is it bad that we're looking forward to S4 ALREADY?

I think it's kinda bad.

I think it's a lose/lose situation though, if the Doctor was fine and bouncy we'd be complaining that "hey! remember, there was this girl. Kinda important, y'know, since you LOVED her. Her name ROSE, ring a bell?"

Yeah. *sighs* Although I had no idea they were going to bring him *this* low. I still may not be over the whole "KILL ME!" thing in EotD. No, he's not like that every single second, but it's enough to put this cloud over everything else.

Maybe if for the Christmas episode they *had* Sarah Jane (as was rumored). She could have hugged and petted him while simultaneously kicking his ass - telling him it was okay to mourn Rose but he still did have a life worth living. SJS would have been good at that.

But I agree, so far there has been no episode that OMG I NEED TO REWATCH!

Yeah.

There were rumours of SJS for the Christmas episode? I would have LOVED that!

She could have hugged and petted him while simultaneously kicking his ass - telling him it was okay to mourn Rose but he still did have a life worth living
Yeah, seems like he's just going through the motions, he expresses awe for humans and will save them, but he's missing that spark he once had. He's no longer ONE OF THEM. He's trying to distance himself.

There were rumours of SJS for the Christmas episode? I would have LOVED that!

Yup! Just goes to show you can't trust the rumors.

Yeah, seems like he's just going through the motions, he expresses awe for humans and will save them, but he's missing that spark he once had. He's no longer ONE OF THEM. He's trying to distance himself.

Kinda seems like it, doesn't it?

I haven't even had a desire to see any episode from S3. Not bothering to get eps from my cousin, I'll just wait for Skiffy to air them...July, right?

Erm...wow. That's quite the icon you've got there. Fortunately, Martha's *not* lame. Woo!

But yeah. July's when I heard they're gonna air it.

Yeah. Made that while in the midst of post-Doomsday bitterness...

Glad she's not really lame.

And now I'm bummed because I want to play with the Comic Maker on the BBC website, but it won't let me. *pout*

Oh, UK-only content?

Yes. Bastards.

Maybe I just took to Martha so fast but I'm loving this season. And it's something to look foward to on the weekend. (not that I don't watch a million things on the weekend anyways)

And I'm not sure if it's because it seems like *the Doctor* is sort of disconnected and going through the motions or not.

I think he is out of sorts. When you lose someone you love it tends to throw you. And your not quite yourself for awhile.

That we're supposed to get tired with him? Okay, maybe not.

Tired of THIS DOCTOR? I don't think so.

At times it feels like we're in reduxland, and I get frustrated because I'm not sure WHY we're there.

Maybe I'm just glad this isn't turning out on the BSG side of things. (not that their weren't good moments)

I had a happy, fun, cheesy, scary time travel show. Where did it go?

I had a smart, angsty, and gutwrenching show. Where did it go? Into the season three abbys that's where.

Maybe I just took to Martha so fast but I'm loving this season. And it's something to look foward to on the weekend. (not that I don't watch a million things on the weekend anyways)

And I'm starting to get into the "I'm watching this just so I don't get left out of the loop." *sighs*

Tired of THIS DOCTOR? I don't think so.

No, tired *with* the Doctor, not *of* him. As in, we're supposed to feel simultaneously tired of the situations.

I really have no idea where this is all going either. They go on and on about how this is a kids' show, but I'm not seeing any hopefulness at the moment. Maybe kids would miss the meaning of the Doctor's speech about, basically, being tired of everything.

I had a happy, fun, cheesy, scary time travel show. Where did it go?

I dunno! Maybe it's in that rucksack you-know-who is toting and will make a reappearance? My shippy heart says it must have been in Rose's pocket, though.

I really have no idea where this is all going either. They go on and on about how this is a kids' show, but I'm not seeing any hopefulness at the moment. Maybe kids would miss the meaning of the Doctor's speech about, basically, being tired of everything.

We're gonna wind up with some, "Mummy, why did the Doctor throw himself off a cliff?" "Um...he was skydiving. Right! Without a parachute. Silly Doctor!" aren't we??

I dunno! Maybe it's in that rucksack you-know-who is toting and will make a reappearance? My shippy heart says it must have been in Rose's pocket, though.

God, she made him happy. *Deeply* happy.

We're gonna wind up with some, "Mummy, why did the Doctor throw himself off a cliff?" "Um...he was skydiving. Right! Without a parachute. Silly Doctor!" aren't we??

HA. Yet...fairly plausible? Can you imagine the Satan Pit if it had been placed in this season? Doctor: *throws himself into the abyss* Audience: TOTALLY saw that coming!

God, she made him happy. *Deeply* happy.

She did. It's kind of hard to ignore how happy he was last season and how...not he is now.

Can you imagine the Satan Pit if it had been placed in this season? Doctor: *throws himself into the abyss* Audience: TOTALLY saw that coming!

Oh, man. I snorted. Ow.

She did. It's kind of hard to ignore how happy he was last season and how...not he is now.

*SOBS*

This is all some sort of RTD master plan to make us empathize with the Doctor in this sort of repeating endlessness, isn't it? That we're supposed to get tired with him?

I think maybe we're supposed to feel sorry for Martha. That seeing the Doctor all emo is supposed to make us identify with Martha and be all "hey, quit being mean to her; it's not her fault".

Which worked brilliantly in The Christmas Invasion, really ... I went into the episode thinking there was no way I'd ever like DT as much as CE, and then when Rose was rejecting him and he looked like a kicked puppy, I just wanted to hug him and make it better. *g* So it totally worked for me there.

But with S3, I just keep wanting to smack Martha upside the head and tell her that I'd like her a lot more if she'd just focus on being his friend instead of always trying to put a romantic spin on everything. If they could get over that stuff, I have a feeling I'd enjoy things a lot more.

Which worked brilliantly in The Christmas Invasion, really ... I went into the episode thinking there was no way I'd ever like DT as much as CE, and then when Rose was rejecting him and he looked like a kicked puppy, I just wanted to hug him and make it better. *g* So it totally worked for me there.

Of course, by the end of that episode Rose had accepted that it really was the Doctor. But 6 episodes in and the Doctor remains "emo."

But with S3, I just keep wanting to smack Martha upside the head and tell her that I'd like her a lot more if she'd just focus on being his friend instead of always trying to put a romantic spin on everything. If they could get over that stuff, I have a feeling I'd enjoy things a lot more.

Yeah, me too. Instead of making me feel bad for Martha because the Doctor's being "mean," just makes me wish Martha could be a friend to him instead of wanting to be his girlfriend. He desperately needs a friend.

It's like I keep waiting for something. I think maybe I'm waiting to get excited about an episode, which just hasn't happened yet for me.

*SIGH* I know exactly what you mean. After watching an episode in both the 1st and 2nd series, I would feel cheered up, hopeful and sort of high on life or something (that sounds incredibly lame...) And I don't think that was just because of the shippy moments (although that had a lot to do with it)....but the Doctor had hope and joy and while he had his dark moments, Rose could always bring him out of them, she gave him hope....by simply being there and caring about him and everyone else too really. Without Rose he seems to be lost....and I'm feeling a bit lost too :(

I really do like Martha as a character...she is the sort of person that I would probably be friends with (although I'm not really like her myself at all). She is very clever (intellectual clever), can take charge of a situation and is very ambitious. But I don't think that at this point she is able to offer the Doctor what he needs most...and that is a sympathetic ear, and unconditional friendship....although I know that wouldn't make very good television, watching the doctor go through a series of therapy sessions. But I would like to sit her down and clue her into the massive signals he is sending her "that he is just not that into you"....She needs to confront that and have them progress further into a friendship where they are honest and can rely on each other....I have REALLY been thinking about this too much.

I had a happy, fun, cheesy, scary time travel show. Where did it go?

I really have no idea...and it's killing me. I'm wondering whether it still has an audience under the age of 15 with all of the angst it's dishing out...although I know that most boys are only watching it for the monsters etc. I'm only going to keep watching because of Jack's return, in the hope that this will allow him to have a proper talk about Rose...because Jack knew her and understands their relationship. But if it's emo!Jack with emo!Doctor I think I may have to take up copious amounts of Vodka during Doctor Who viewings

but the Doctor had hope and joy and while he had his dark moments, Rose could always bring him out of them, she gave him hope....by simply being there and caring about him and everyone else too really. Without Rose he seems to be lost....and I'm feeling a bit lost too :(

Yeah, I think that's what I'm feeling also. Hate seeing the Doctor - who's normally so in control - seem so defeated by fate.

But I don't think that at this point she is able to offer the Doctor what he needs most...and that is a sympathetic ear, and unconditional friendship

I think I put too much hope before the series started that she *would* be this person to the Doctor. Maybe she'll get there yet, but so far it's not happened.

although I know that wouldn't make very good television, watching the doctor go through a series of therapy sessions.

*pictures the Doctor on a couch, talking about his mother* :D

She needs to confront that and have them progress further into a friendship where they are honest and can rely on each other

From your lips to God's ears.

But if it's emo!Jack with emo!Doctor I think I may have to take up copious amounts of Vodka during Doctor Who viewings

Maybe they can have an angst-off? ;)

My biggest problem is that I still cannot really believe that Rose is gone. I still expect her to show up in the last ten seconds of an ep and go: "Missed me?" and the doctor faints.

I didn't like Martha at first, but she's not that bad. I like that she's smart and so active, rarely does she just wait for the doctor to rescue her. She is taking a place that I'm reserving for some one else, though. Which makes me bitter. Which I don't like.

And, of course, as soon as the ep is done, I think: They didn't bring Rose back during this one either...

My biggest problem is that I still cannot really believe that Rose is gone. I still expect her to show up in the last ten seconds of an ep and go: "Missed me?" and the doctor faints.

Awwww. :(

I'm not having that problem - I know she's not gonna turn up.

I didn't like Martha at first, but she's not that bad. I like that she's smart and so active, rarely does she just wait for the doctor to rescue her.

Martha does have her cool moments. Where I keep getting hung up is in her infatuation with the Doctor - it's like the last thing he needs right now. And since I've known the character of the Doctor much longer, his feelings come first in my mind over hers.

She is taking a place that I'm reserving for some one else, though. Which makes me bitter. Which I don't like.

And, of course, as soon as the ep is done, I think: They didn't bring Rose back during this one either...

:(

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