You know what?

[mrv3000]

As of this second, I am sick to fucking death of the S3 angst. This fun little quirky Doctor Who show I started watching a couple of years ago? It's not fun anymore. It's not quirky anymore. It's episode after episode of despondency, coupled with the underside of human nature. I haven't even been in the mood to watch old Who lately.

RTD said something like this series was about hope? Bullshit. Every instance of hope has been instantly snubbed out.

And the Doctor actually turning that corner into sadism in this last episode? This is no longer a show about a character fighting his inner demons. He's given in.

Comments

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

Man, I don't know if you and I should be communicating right now, because we seem to be feeding on each other's depression. I mean:

RTD said something like this series was about hope? Bullshit. Every instance of hope has been instantly snubbed out.

I agree; there is no light at the end of the tunnel. I fail to see what's left for the Doctor but trudging on, doing his duty.

For all that I dislike Doctor-lite episodes, I'm really hoping that this week's will turn out to be an "up" episode. ... except that it looks more like a horror film, based on the preview, and I don't like horror films. *sigh*

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Man, I don't know if you and I should be communicating right now, because we seem to be feeding on each other's depression.

It's probably just as bad as when we were freaking out over spoilers before the series started. "OMG! HE'S IN BED WITH MARTHA?!!" Mwah.

I agree; there is no light at the end of the tunnel. I fail to see what's left for the Doctor but trudging on, doing his duty.

And back with the Gridlock Confidential, didn't RTD say that the answer to Boe's secret would be "devastating?" Sweet Jesus.

For all that I dislike Doctor-lite episodes, I'm really hoping that this week's will turn out to be an "up" episode. ... except that it looks more like a horror film, based on the preview, and I don't like horror films. *sigh*

I'm not one for horror films myself, but DW only does the G-rated variety and I'm hoping for some creepy fun. But at the very least, IT WILL NOT HAVE ANGST. omg.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

OMG, I NEED TO NERF-BAT SOMETHING!

[pixiesio.livejournal.com]

Urm, totally not on the topic here, but did you delete your post with your 400 words of head-in-lap fic? I was just gonna read it now that I finished typing mine! *pouts*

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Um...I did. Heh. Was feeling a bit squiffy about it and then I went into a tailspin of S3 angst rage...

I'm neurotic. It's still there. *puts back*

[misssara11.livejournal.com]

*pats. hands a cookie* Look! Naked (chibi)Doctor!

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

OMG. You may just freak her out with the naked and the chibi. *snerk*

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

*snatches cookie and runs*

[ivydoor.livejournal.com]

That's it! She needs to read all the chibi!fics.

[poohmusings.livejournal.com]

Oh dear. I think your frustration with work and your frustration with DW is leading to NO GOOD. L(

Starbucks break, maybe?

[poohmusings.livejournal.com]

Eeep! My smiley face is disturbed! It's like abstract!smiley! I can't figure out which smiley to use in response to abstract!smiley. Maybe :d?

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I think I might need to. I am filled with loathing. I have deleted fics. (Well, sorta.) And we all know it's bad when I start deleting things.

[katesutton.livejournal.com]

AW. *wants to reassure you* * has no idea what to say* I know how you feel. It's dark and he's not happy and I'm not sure how this is going to resolve. But currently, against all previous experience with TV, I'm taking deep breaths and waiting. Because....the writers have done a really, really good job in the Doctor's character arc over the last two seasons. They've certainly done their fair share of crappy story-telling, but overall? I do think that RTD has a solid idea of where he wants to go with the Doctor.

Huh. Did I just say 'trust the writers?' No. I won't say that, because you can't trust them and because that's seriously condescending, IMO. At the moment, I'm trying to be optimistic. But I can freak out with the best, as you saw in that thread yesterday. :)

What really freaks me out? Is that bringing Rose back in the next season would make SO much sense now. But I don't believe they'd do that. But it would make sense!

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

It's dark and he's not happy and I'm not sure how this is going to resolve. But currently, against all previous experience with TV, I'm taking deep breaths and waiting. Because....the writers have done a really, really good job in the Doctor's character arc over the last two seasons. They've certainly done their fair share of crappy story-telling, but overall? I do think that RTD has a solid idea of where he wants to go with the Doctor.

As seriously cranky as I am about all this right now, I do agree with you. I do think that there is a plan, and it may even be a good plan. It's just that right now I'm frustrated as all get out and tired of dark!emo!lonelygod!Doctor.

What really freaks me out? Is that bringing Rose back in the next season would make SO much sense now. But I don't believe they'd do that. But it would make sense!

I know! It's the only thing that really does make sense right now. I can't imagine what they're going to do to get the Doctor out of this downward spiral, and they really really have to. Before I storm BBC Cardiff and give RTD a piece of my mind. :-)

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Because....the writers have done a really, really good job in the Doctor's character arc over the last two seasons. They've certainly done their fair share of crappy story-telling, but overall? I do think that RTD has a solid idea of where he wants to go with the Doctor.

Well, it needs to resolve. SOON. I'm just worn by this whole thing. Nine episodes and I I think I might be looking forward *more* to the Doctor-lite episode than the Jack episode, just because Jack shall bring ANGST.

Huh. Did I just say 'trust the writers?'

I think you did. *eyes*

No. I won't say that, because you can't trust them and because that's seriously condescending, IMO. At the moment, I'm trying to be optimistic. But I can freak out with the best, as you saw in that thread yesterday. :)

That was an amusing mass flailing, wasn't it? :D

What really freaks me out? Is that bringing Rose back in the next season would make SO much sense now. But I don't believe they'd do that. But it would make sense!

It really would. But I don't believe it either.

[greenpear.livejournal.com]

Even I, who never thought anything in Who would bother me, is bothered.

I'm beginning to not like this version...

On the otherhand, I'm in the middle of a bunch of Two episodes. I love Two...

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Even I, who never thought anything in Who would bother me, is bothered.

I'm beginning to not like this version...

I just want it to be done already.

On the otherhand, I'm in the middle of a bunch of Two episodes. I love Two...

Two is such a muppet, isn't he?

[amarettolime25.livejournal.com]

I keep thinking things have got to turn around soon, and then I read descriptions for the finale and the adjectives they use make me sad. *sigh*

*goes off to read your not-a-fic again*

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

That's pretty much the theme of this series.

1. Watch episode.

2. Think "Holy crap, that's really bad. Well, at least it can't get any worse."

3. The following week, repeat.

*sighs*

*mopes*

*flops*

[solielle.livejournal.com]

I'm too drunk to offer anything but hugs and pieces of fic about the Doctor and Rose playing bingo with Tom Baker era space uniforms. (The hats is some of those episodes. How did anyone get through those sci-fi modern whooshy sliding doors? The feathers! And that craft arts sort of loopy stuff we put all over everything in fourth grade! And the Time Lords loved to put on their hats and clothes! Also! Jumpsuits!)

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

80s shiny jumpsuit bingo!!

And those Time Lord getups? Frightening, man.

[kammgirl.livejournal.com]

Oh man it must be bad if it's gotten you to this point.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

This episode was the breaking point for me. The Doctor skittered off into bad, bad places.

[ch1pper.livejournal.com]

*quickly hides angsty tendencies*

I was gathering up Ten!hug pics for a happy spam! but then my roomie mucked about and they got deleted.

I will soldier on and get them again for to make you HAPPY!~!

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

*quickly hides angsty tendencies*

Mwah!!

I was gathering up Ten!hug pics for a happy spam! but then my roomie mucked about and they got deleted.

I will soldier on and get them again for to make you HAPPY!~!

AWWWWWWWW!

[jedi_of_urth]

For me it's not so much that I don't like the show right now, it's that I don't like it as Doctor Who. Most other shows I watch, angst away fine, in fact often it's part of the theme of the show (BSG, VM), but Doctor Who isn't like that. From what I've seen of the classic series, even the step of making the Doctor broken and needy the way New Who has been from season 1 was quite a step, but the lengths they're taking it to now...this character called the Doctor is interesting, but where the real Doctor at?

But the worst part is that it *isn't* out of character for him to be this way (would have thought unlikely, but never impossible), but if there were a hundred different character paths that would have been in character after season 2, this just wasn't the one I would have expected them to take, would have thought it was way too dark for them.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Oh, you're totally right. I can completely see how he got to this point. In fact, katesutton's got a nifty post (http://katesutton.livejournal.com/30814.html) about all the different elements that got him to this point.

From an academic standpoint, the path they're taking him is interesting. However, from an enjoyment standpoint, I'm pretty well hating it at the moment. I want the quirky, fun, sometimes cheesy, time travel show! Where'd it go?

[goldy-dollar.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure if I love the arc this season or if I want to kill myself in a pool of my own tears. GAH. *flails about*

I just - I need *something.* I need Martha to get over her crush on him and kick him. I need Rose to come back. I NEED MORE ICE CREAM AND BOOZE. *runs off*

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

I'm not sure if I love the arc this season or if I want to kill myself in a pool of my own tears. GAH. *flails about*

Ditto. I mean, on the one hand, I kind of love that they're actually going there. On the other, I may need to upgrade to harder booze in order to make it to the end of the season.

I need Martha to get over her crush on him and kick him. I need Rose to come back.

Amen and amen. Please, make it so. *goes to get the Haagen-Dazs back out of the freezer*

[sundaydriver.livejournal.com]

You know? The more I read about the third series and the more scenes I watch, the more worried I become that I won't be able to get through all the episodes the way you have. It's starting to spill over into my second series' marathon watching as well. I had the hardest time watching the "slapping down Harriet Jones" scene in TCI and I ended up ranting about it in my recent review. I also ended up referencing a lot of third series spoilers in that review too, because I couldn't help but make the parallels/comparisons between how the Doctor acts with the "no second chances" and his reaction to Harriet using Torchwood, with how far he's sunk in the third series and what it'll mean to interact with certain politicians in future episodes.

I don't blame you for being frustrated and depressed. Based on what I've seen and read, you are not alone in feeling that way.

RTD said something like this series was about hope?

The thing is, if you are going to claim that the theme for a series is hope, then there have to be references to that, no matter how small, throughout the whole series. You can't just tack that idea on at the very end. What's the point then? I truly do believe that hope is the last thing we cling to, even in our darkest hour, but you have to have reasons to keep holding on to it. It can't be an arbitrary concept for people in real life or a character on a TV show.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I had the hardest time watching the "slapping down Harriet Jones" scene in TCI and I ended up ranting about it in my recent review. I also ended up referencing a lot of third series spoilers in that review too, because I couldn't help but make the parallels/comparisons between how the Doctor acts with the "no second chances" and his reaction to Harriet using Torchwood, with how far he's sunk in the third series and what it'll mean to interact with certain politicians in future episodes.

It really is hard to take him as a "higher authority" when he's gotten so skewed.

The thing is, if you are going to claim that the theme for a series is hope, then there have to be references to that, no matter how small, throughout the whole series. You can't just tack that idea on at the very end. What's the point then? I truly do believe that hope is the last thing we cling to, even in our darkest hour, but you have to have reasons to keep holding on to it. It can't be an arbitrary concept for people in real life or a character on a TV show.

Exactly. And the only "hope" I've seen really is the Face of Boe talking about "you are not alone." However, the Doctor does NOT believe that. And since then, every example of hope has been smacked down. Like to me the Doctor had a glimmer of hope at the end of FoB when he asked Joan to come with him. However, she put a stop to that, quite coldly. (Oh, her coldness was understandable, but still it was very cold.)

[miladyhawke.livejournal.com]

But, maybe we'll get the redemption after this? When Rose comes back? I hope? Meep.

Hope really does die last, 'cause that's what keeps me watching *sigh*

Thank god next week is the Doctor-lite episode, LOL. they really timed that well.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

You know, he is going to need a bit of redemption after this, isn't he? I'm kinda hoping that the Family will pop back up in S4. The girl in the mirror would be easy to do. He's had fallout when his intentions were good (Long Game - Bad Wolf), I *really* need to see fallout from when he had ruthless intentions.

And you know it's bad when I'm actually *happy* about the Doctor-lite episode.