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Word.

It's just infuriating and depressing now.

It's really turned disgusting. These crowds are starting to yell really ugly things (even racist stuff at reporters) and instead of saying something like "okay, enough of THAT" they do nothing. Well, Palin probably winks.

I read an article where Palin was spouting something about Obama putting ambition ahead of the country. I just about choked on the sickening irony.

I could not agree with you more.

I am consoling myself with the pretty clear fact that these heinous tactics are not at all working.

That's the only thing that's sort of helping me as well - the more they do this shit, the lower their poll numbers go. It's really bizarre that they don't GET that.

Absolute word. WORD.

And it's the frenzy of hate and bigotry and irrationality that I find really scary. It's one thing to disagree with your opponent in a legitimate and honest way; it's another to use fear tactics and hysteria to try to win.

It's really taken a really nasty turn after the last debate. I really don't expect a shenanigans-free election, but this is way beyond all that now.

OMG LJ I HAD A COMMENT AND YOU ATE IT.

Add that to all my McCain rage and I'm barely able to operate. Chocolate. Now. Gimme.

OMG LJ I HAD A COMMENT AND YOU ATE IT.

MWAHAHAHAHA!

Add that to all my McCain rage and I'm barely able to operate. Chocolate. Now. Gimme.

Chocolate might help. I have some chocolate at home in the form of 5,000 bags of Mother's cookies...

I have some chocolate at home in the form of 5,000 bags of Mother's cookies...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You really did stock up? Wait, of course you did! ;) I'm actually really going to miss those frosted circus animal ones. The ones that are pink and white with the rainbow sprinkles. They were always my favoritest.

Annnnnnnd now I want pink and white frosted circus animal cookies with rainbow sprinkles. :)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You really did stock up? Wait, of course you did! ;)

You'd better believe it, baby!

I'm actually really going to miss those frosted circus animal ones. The ones that are pink and white with the rainbow sprinkles. They were always my favoritest.

I overdosed on those last year and so I just got a mixed bag that has some. Okay, maybe it was 2 mixed bags. They really will be going in my freezer though. :D

And you should go get some.

YES. Thank you.

This is like a whole new level of nasty. I seriously don't want either of them anywhere near the White House.

No, I really don't want them to get all maverickey up in the white house, either.

It's disturbing to think about.

I've lost all respect for this man. Period. I was like you--I used to even admire McCain. No longer. Every time Obama meets with McCain he thanks him for his service. He is polite, and I genuinely think he's grateful for the sacrifices McCain made during the war. But I have never, never seen John McCain return the hospitality--the closest was "he's a decent person." Calling him "that one" during the debate was deplorable. "That one" is a Senator, John McCain. You don't have to call him by his name, but goddammit, call him by his title. That's the very least you can do.

After thinking about Sarah Palin for a while, I finally "get" while people might fear Obama as president. It's (in some manner) the same fear I have with Sarah Palin--inexperience. BUT BUT BUT, I feel that Obama has a strong idea on the areas he's inexperienced in, and not only works to become knowledgeable, but hires people who already are. From Sarah Palin I just get the idea she doesn't care, and goes on to take swipes at Obama, gays, and Tina Fey.

I've lost all respect for this man. Period. I was like you--I used to even admire McCain. No longer. Every time Obama meets with McCain he thanks him for his service. He is polite, and I genuinely think he's grateful for the sacrifices McCain made during the war. But I have never, never seen John McCain return the hospitality--the closest was "he's a decent person." Calling him "that one" during the debate was deplorable. "That one" is a Senator, John McCain. You don't have to call him by his name, but goddammit, call him by his title. That's the very least you can do.

It's little things like that that have been adding up. On their own you can shrug them off. But put them together and you get this picture of what McCain is really like. Just like after this last debate, not shaking Obama's outstretched hand, but instead McCain pointing Obama to his wife. By itself? Okay, a bit rude. But add it to his list of other things and... It seems like McCain is an angry, angry man, too swayed by personal feeling to be diplomatic. And like HELL I want that sentiment leading this country.

After thinking about Sarah Palin for a while, I finally "get" while people might fear Obama as president. It's (in some manner) the same fear I have with Sarah Palin--inexperience. BUT BUT BUT, I feel that Obama has a strong idea on the areas he's inexperienced in, and not only works to become knowledgeable, but hires people who already are. From Sarah Palin I just get the idea she doesn't care, and goes on to take swipes at Obama, gays, and Tina Fey.

*nods* From what I've seen, Obama is someone who thinks about and tries to work a problem. Palin just...throws out reactionary one-liners.

Maybe this is what spurred your post, but McCain "tried" to take back some of the horrible things he's said today about Obama at a rally, and even "chided" some supporters for calling him names...i.e. terrorist. If you're interested you can read about it here.

Aaaaand, I'm going to make myself sick before the stores run out of Mothers cookies. I went to the store (a whole 5 block walk!) to buy the pink frosted ones, which were sold out...so I bought the taffy ones. And have been eating them ever since. Mmmmmm.

I hadn't seen that article. At least McCain finally has an inkling that things are getting out of control. We'll see if it's really a "stop that" or "oh, you really shouldn't do that *wink*"

And I finally put the open bag of cookies in the freezer. I ate too many of those Taffy ones.

I actually was going to vote for him in 2000, had he gotten the nomination. Now? I can't even stand to hear him speak without the enhancement of alcohol.

To make you feel better, the latest charts from FiveThirtyEight.com :

I actually was going to vote for him in 2000, had he gotten the nomination. Now? I can't even stand to hear him speak without the enhancement of alcohol.

That's me exactly. Hmmm...now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure we had open primaries back then. I think I might have actually voted for him in the primaries in 2000!

To make you feel better, the latest charts from FiveThirtyEight.com :

Seems almost too good to be true. :D

I think I might have actually voted for him in the primaries in 2000!

I know I didn't vote in the primaries, I'm not sure if they were open at the time or not. At the time, I was too busy dealing with a really rough pregnancy to consider myself informed enough to vote on anything. I did know I wasn't going to vote for Bush though, and since MD was a total lock for Gore (I don't think it's ever gone red for President) I didn't bother voting at all. Bad, I know.

Seems almost too good to be true. :D

It does, but I'm hoping that people are looking at what's happening and becoming as disgusted with McCain and Palin as we are. Perhaps this is the dying gasp of attitudes like this prevailing in this country.

I know I didn't vote in the primaries, I'm not sure if they were open at the time or not. At the time, I was too busy dealing with a really rough pregnancy to consider myself informed enough to vote on anything. I did know I wasn't going to vote for Bush though, and since MD was a total lock for Gore (I don't think it's ever gone red for President) I didn't bother voting at all. Bad, I know.

I really don't blame you. I'd have done the same.

It does, but I'm hoping that people are looking at what's happening and becoming as disgusted with McCain and Palin as we are. Perhaps this is the dying gasp of attitudes like this prevailing in this country.

One can really only hope.

The behavior of the McCain/Palin camp sickens me. From the time he hired the very people responsible for Bush's smear campaign against him in 2000--and probably before--it was clear that he'd do anything, anything at all, to win, and for no other reason than he wants to be the President. Not because he has a plan or a vision or anything--he just thinks he should be the man in charge.

There is a small part of me that thinks that Palin and McCain know EXACTLY what they are doing, in a "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" way. And that terrifies me, because it should seem like an absurd, paranoid idea--and it's not, not anymore.

I'm really not sure what's the worst scenario: knowing what they're doing and being all for it, being clueless about what they're doing, or knowing what they're doing but are unable to stop being completely managed by this political machine.

There is a small part of me that thinks that Palin and McCain know EXACTLY what they are doing, in a "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?" way.

That is terrifying. And you're right, it should be absurd, but it isn't.

*shivers*

I've lost all respect for the man, but I have to wonder what he thinks when he realizes that so many of his supporters are ignorant at best and downright crazy at worst.

I know there are wonderful people that support him that are thoughtful and intelligent (even if I personally don't understand their choice) but my goodness that man has brought out some of the scariest people this country has to offer. Does he really want his claim to fame to be, "McCain, the presidential candidate that hatred, insanity, and ignorance supports."

Now there is the question of could Palin possibly face impeachment or censure in Alaska due to a finding of abuse of power?

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It really is frightening how much of the underside of humanity has popped up lately. Just really ugly stuff.

And the new Palin thing really throws a twist in it all. Many were saying that her approval rating was already dragging McCain down, and now this. He kind of has to stick with her though. It's a bit too late to change. It'll be entertaining to see what they come up with. I've read a couple of things where they've already started personally attacking the people on this bipartisan commission, which was...bipartisan and unanimous. Bit hard to blame those evil commie socialists if there was a Republican or two who also agreed.

It's interesting you remark on this and then I found this article:

"Palin says supporters want tougher attacks on Obama" - Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin said more than one person has whispered in her ear in Ohio that John McCain needs "to take the gloves off" in his campaign against Democrat Barack Obama.

"With only 25 days to go, it's not negative and it's not mean-spirited," she said.

Oi. It's going to get worse now? Please no.

*facepalm*

Well, I have seen a quote from the McCain camp floating around (don't think a name was attached to it, so there's a grain of salt) that said they have no options left but to go completely negative.

So in other words, they see the win slipping away from them and so decide to torch the place.

Try being in Alabama; even in a considerably more educated university-centered town, there is so much crazy hate. Mostly, it's coming from older(and others, but mostly older) people who suck the Fox News teat. And the racist rednecks, who of course are the loudest and most obnoxious. I have heard people say stuff like "We can't let a [n-word] into the White House" and "How can you vote for that [n-word]?" It's devastating to hear, even if it has only happened a handful of times. The fact that it happened period is sickening. I think a lot of the shouts of "terrorist" are coming from people who realize they can't say [n-word] in public, and are contenting themselves with a more "acceptable" slur.

However, I am very heartened that my "Alobama" sticker has yet to be peeled off my car (4 years ago, my "Students for Kerry" one lasted about a week; its replacement made it another couple of weeks). And those accursed "W" stickers are almost entirely gone. I see maybe a couple a week, instead of dozens a day. No one's stealing yard signs, or burning down the democratic candidates' offices. So not everyone is caught up in the crazy. The people who are...well, they were never going to vote for Obama anyways. Let them have their hate. I've had to avoid certain family members for months just to keep my sanity(if I thought it would do any good to discuss things with them though, trust me, I would and I have).

I was actually just watching a bunch of Daily Show eps, including the one where Bill Clinton was on, and I really liked the last bit he said about how/why Obama will win(this is paraphrased from memory): "It's not about getting more people to love Obama--the base already loves Obama. He/We have to show and prove to the others that we/he loves them, that we have their interests at heart."

He was actually speaking about it in regards to all the "did Hilary support Obama enough in her speech" muck the media was focused on, but it rings true as the way a campaign should be conducted. It's where McCain/Palin are really failing. They're doing the opposite: getting more people in their base riled up and loving them...but completely neglecting the rest of the country's needs.

That really makes me glad I live out in California. Not that I've never encountered someone saying something racist, but it's rare for me. And I don't think I've ever heard someone use the N word (other than TV) thankfully. If I have, I've blocked it.

You know, maybe it really is going out with the oldest generation. They're dying off, and as they do, the hard-core hate is dying with them. Well, at least we can hope. I guess there will always be people who poison their children's minds, but with better education and ever-shifting social attitudes, maybe someday people can look at it like "people used to believe the Earth was flat."

I saw him as a better, more benign version of Bush. How wrong I was.

I have NO idea what he is now.

I'm with you 100%. I've always been a big fan of Obama, but when McCain got the nom, I thought, well, that's good. Even if we lose, maybe someone with some integrity will be in office. But he sold his soul for power, so to hell with him.

I can't believe the irresponsibility of the way they're whipping people into a hate-filled fervor right now.

I'm with you 100%. I've always been a big fan of Obama, but when McCain got the nom, I thought, well, that's good. Even if we lose, maybe someone with some integrity will be in office. But he sold his soul for power, so to hell with him.

*nodnodnod*

I can't believe the irresponsibility of the way they're whipping people into a hate-filled fervor right now.

Was reading the news this morning and now some senator has compared the hate frenzies to George Wallace. McCain is outraged and demands that Obama denounce him. LOOK McCain, if you can't see the truth about what your campaign is doing, then you really don't deserve to win. Does he think that the "Arab" comment to him was out of the blue?? The "terrorist" and "kill him" cries? WTF?

I used to respect him, too. I hoped he'd get the GOP nom because at least he was an honorable man who stuck by his principles. Also, I used to think he wasn't the kind of guy who'd rig an election.

God, I wish I weren't too cynical to believe in polls. The electoral votes polls are so pretty.

This was me exactly. Out of the people in the running for the Republicans, I wanted him to win. I thought he was solid. When I was up at my parents' place this past summer, we were even talking about how we'd be fairly content with either of them. Not anymore.

And I hate to hope in the polls. Somehow there's this lurking fear that Bush will somehow win a third term. And I don't mean McCain, I mean...Bush will somehow pull off another win. :D

I have a lurking fear that Bush will find an excuse to declare martial law, take a third term, and then crown himself emperor.

I don't think I was this paranoid eight years ago!

well now Sen McCain is expecting people to be "respectful"-he neglected to pass that information onto his VP and his handlers-after whipping up the crowds the way they have, they are now experiencing the full force of how hate can take over-maybe now he has learned the adage-what goes around comes around it is certainly not the way to woo the independents and the undecideds-he had been playing to the crowd and not to the people who he needs to come to his side.

It's like whipping a dog into a frenzy and then being shocked when things get out of hand and it bites you.

that is the truth.

well do you think about what John Lewis from GA had to say about the McCain/Palin campaigning the last week or so? From what I've read they are incensed at the comparison. Really? well, too bad for them.
Their nastiness has turned around and bit them on the ass-hard and now they are crying and want to take their marbles and go home.
It is about time that somebody called them on it-too bad it wasn't McCain at the beginning of this mess. I always thought he was a decent man-and as Bush did this to him-he would not want to go down the same road. Too bad he didn't tell Palin or his team.

The problem is that they don't want to take their marbles and go home. They want people to rally behind them to victory. And I'm sorry, there is no way I could ever get behind what they're doing right now and I still can't believe they can't see it for what it is. Not sure if they're that blind or that vicious. Either way, I don't want anything to do with that.

Reading more on this, I'm getting the feeling that McCain might be on a runaway train. But if he can't control his own campaign...

then how can he control the country? he can't. I believe he is in early dementia stages-at the town hall meeting he came across as a bitter old man. and don't get me started on Palin-she is the closest to a racist then I had ever seen a politican be without coming right out and yelling "White Power"-I have to tell you that when she said that Obama isn't like the rest of America, he doesn't he see America the way we do-all i heard was "the Jews are not like us, they don't see Germany the way we do." maybe it is an over reaction on my part-but really-can they not see what is happening right in front of them?? when someone yelled "kill him" at a rally Palin smiled-smiled! and didn't say a word not then or even after.

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