God, fandom's so weird. I'll never understand the hate towards characters who are supposed the be the audience's way in to an otherwise strange, alien and cold shows (both DW and TW here).

I love(d) all the characters in Torchwood, and probably mostly Jack, but as you said, there are DW connections there. I ship Jack/Gwen yet Ｉbawled like a baby when Ianto died. Why the hell are people connecting Rose to his death (which I completely and utterly did not see coming!)? I mean ... what? That would be like complaining about a plot twist in Firefly because Buffy made a snarky comment at someone.

I mean, honestly *rolls eyes*