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For the most part I liked this episode. But I've always been fascinated by the Adama-Lee-Kara relationship, and so I really liked the scene between Adama and Lee where they were arguing about whose grief was greater. Honestly, I'm not sure who would win.
Oh, Anders. *PATPATPAT*
See, I *think* I'm starting to like Cally again, and then she goes and contradicts herself. She's talking about how they shouldn't turn on each other, and then she goes and turns on Athena. Cally may be moving to my permanent annoyance camp.
Anyone notice if the survivor count in the opening credits dropped this week? Does it ever drop?
I still have issues with this whole Lee legal thing. Seems really apparent that they wanted more main characters involved in the trial, but Lee IS A PILOT. Gah. The sudden lawyer grandfather they introduced last week (or the week before) is WEAK.
Okay, I got distracted a couple of times and so I missed a couple of minutes here and there. There were a few things I was confused about:
- Did Baltar's lawyer say something like they had to do something "before they find out Baltar is pregnant."??? I mean, yes. He used the word pregnant - I had the CC on (always do for BSG since I find some of their dialog hard to understand sometimes.) He was using 'pregnant' as a term for something else, right?? *wags finger at mpreg*
- First the lawyer doesn't want Baltar to have his pen because it would gain sympathy, and then at the end he gives it back? Huh?
- Was the kleptomania supposed to have any deeper significance other than the lawyer was a squirrel? And, dude. You're inside. Lose the shades. Not sure what decade it was on Caprica, but the 80s died long ago 'round here.
- Why did the lawyer send Baltar that letter about the son coming out from behind the father's shadow? Did I miss something where Baltar talked about his father? Or was the lawyer just being a squirrel again?

Anyone notice if the survivor count in the opening credits dropped this week? Does it ever drop?

I didn't notice, because I almost always seem to miss that, but I've been told that it did indeed drop. By one. *sob*

The sudden lawyer grandfather they introduced last week (or the week before) is WEAK.

Actually, his grandfather's been known as a lawyer since sometime back in Season 1, I think. And it's clear to me that Lee needs something else to do that gets him out from under his father's shadow.

I didn't notice, because I almost always seem to miss that, but I've been told that it did indeed drop. By one. *sob*

Awwwwwww.

Actually, his grandfather's been known as a lawyer since sometime back in Season 1, I think.

Really? Shows how much I've been paying attention. :D

And it's clear to me that Lee needs something else to do that gets him out from under his father's shadow.

Wonder if a simple change of location would be able to do it for him though. Something tells me that Lee will be living in his father's shadow for his entire life - even after Adama's gone.

Actually, his grandfather's been known as a lawyer since sometime back in Season 1, I think.

It's been that way since the mini.

Yeah, I couldn't remember quite when it had been established, just that it had been a good long while. Thank you. :-)

Well, there goes all my rage! *mutters* The whole thing still seems out of the blue for me. *kicks something*

Oh, and then earlier when he gave him his grandaddy's lighter? ;) LOL And talked about Bill's OWN issues with LawyerDaddyAdama?

LALALALALALALALALALA I AM NOT LISTENING.

Wonder if a simple change of location would be able to do it for him though. Something tells me that Lee will be living in his father's shadow for his entire life - even after Adama's gone.

Probably not, but I think it'll be good for him to make an effort. Also, good for him to do something that has absolutely nothing to do with Kara. I suspect being CAG has way too many memories for him right now.

Yeah, that's a good point. He so obviously was not up for being the CAG and probably should be doing something else. I'm just finding this sudden involvement in the trial so horribly convenient.

Why did the lawyer send Baltar that letter about the son coming out from behind the father's shadow? Did I miss something where Baltar talked about his father? Or was the lawyer just being a squirrel again?

Remember in the infirmary when he was talking about the stuff he'd stolen from various people? And he put the pen back in the envelope for Lee to give back Baltar.

Lee got so played. I have a good feeling that Romo wasn't talking about Baltar coming out from behind his father's shadow.

Okay, so I could buy the letter was in reference to Lee instead of Baltar (probably why Baltar had the look of WTF? on his face when he read it), but... I guess I just don't understand why it was written. At least, written to Baltar. Why would Baltar care?

Because it showed how they were going to work Lee and have him Join the Team! :D YAY TEAM BALTAR!

*grabs pompoms for the Trial of the Century*

Oh and from above: I'm just finding this sudden involvement in the trial so horribly convenient.

He's always been the one to be all with the 'do the right thing even if it goes against the military'. So if anyone would actually make sure Baltar's trial was actually fair? It would be Lee.

So if anyone would actually make sure Baltar's trial was actually fair? It would be Lee.

Exactly. He's always been a firm believer in the principles of justice. So even though I'm sure he finds Baltar as abhorrent as his father and Laura and a whole bunch of other people do, he believes that it should be done right.

And I have no doubt that he DOES find him as abhorrent. As an aside? I think Dee would have been all, "OMG, get off my bed!"

I would have loved to have seen that conversation. "Uh, honey? Can you work the graveyard? Baltar's coming over."

YAY TEAM BALTAR!

*snorts*

So if anyone would actually make sure Baltar's trial was actually fair? It would be Lee.

I suppose. Although I wonder how much can he do while being a paralegal for the defense though.

The count drops on a regular basis -- any time we see or hear about deaths on the show, the number reflects it. It hurt to see it this time, though.

Why did the lawyer send Baltar that letter about the son coming out from behind the father's shadow? Did I miss something where Baltar talked about his father?

Pretty sure he was talking about getting Lee on their side.

I think the "pregnant" thing was supposed to be snark, but I'm not sure. The writing for this one really wasn't the best. The shades and all the things that he stole -- I think they were supposed to be symbolic, writing-wise, but it fell flat.

Re: Lee is a pilot, not a lawyer -- true, and I miss him flying. On the other hand, he's shown an interest in democracy and the rule of law through the whole series, so I think it works for him to be pushing to be a part of the trial. Just look back at Bastille Day in season 1, when he gave Zarek some freedom and pushed for elections. Or when he threw in his lot with Roslin, not because he believed in the religious stuff, but because he believed in the presidency and democracy. If there's anyone who truly wants Baltar to get a fair trial, it's him, so it makes sense to me that he'd want to be a part of it.

And now I've rambled in your LJ. Sorry. :)

Pretty sure he was talking about getting Lee on their side.

Ohhhh. You know, this dude is NUTS.

I think the "pregnant" thing was supposed to be snark, but I'm not sure. The writing for this one really wasn't the best. The shades and all the things that he stole -- I think they were supposed to be symbolic, writing-wise, but it fell flat.

Hrm. Well, just as long as he wasn't actually pregnant. Heh. And I'd agree with you on the writing - it confused me many times, and I wasn't sure if it was just me and the paint fumes or something else.

On the other hand, he's shown an interest in democracy and the rule of law through the whole series, so I think it works for him to be pushing to be a part of the trial. Just look back at Bastille Day in season 1, when he gave Zarek some freedom and pushed for elections. Or when he threw in his lot with Roslin, not because he believed in the religious stuff, but because he believed in the presidency and democracy. If there's anyone who truly wants Baltar to get a fair trial, it's him, so it makes sense to me that he'd want to be a part of it.

I almost feel like I can't disagree since in the end, I don't feel *that* strongly about it. But getting Lee involved in the trial seems a bit contrived to me, even after all those things you mentioned.

And now I've rambled in your LJ. Sorry. :)

Ramble away!

The pregnant thing was hyperbole; I think the exact sentence was "Baltar'll get pregnant before they [do whatever farfetched thing]." Something like that, anyway.

Lee's the son Lampkin was referring to. I'm pretty sure he meant, "I've talked circles around him and engendered anger at his father, and now you've got a really good lawyer on your side [magically, since Lee's, y'know, a pilot] and will totally go free." Possibly that's just my projection.

I don't know what the hell the kleptomania was all about. Or really what the majority of this episode was all about.

The pregnant thing was hyperbole; I think the exact sentence was "Baltar'll get pregnant before they [do whatever farfetched thing]." Something like that, anyway.

Okay, PHEW. With sci-fi, you just never know. :D

Lee's the son Lampkin was referring to. I'm pretty sure he meant, "I've talked circles around him and engendered anger at his father, and now you've got a really good lawyer on your side [magically, since Lee's, y'know, a pilot] and will totally go free." Possibly that's just my projection.

That does make sense. For some reason there were more than a few dots I couldn't connect last night.

I don't know what the hell the kleptomania was all about. Or really what the majority of this episode was all about.

Ha!

He said he figured they'd find out Baltar was pregnant before they got the files he had requested from Colonial 1.

Oh, okay. I think I did a double-take at the pregnant part and didn't pay attention to the rest. :D

Yeah, my husband wasn't really paying attention and did the same thing.

I thought the items he took where clues to the people's personalities and habits. Roslyn folding and unfolding her glasses when she's nervous. Adama, worrying the buttons on his jacket. The other attorney pacing when she's doing something else, etc.

So was the lawyer trying to determine their personalities? Or was he wanting to show Lee their personalities?

Maybe both?

So the lawyer was just a freak? ~ Michelle

Yes, that's what I thought too.

sharon :)

Mwah!

Of course he was a freak, aren't they all?...the klepto thing was supposed to be a habit he picked up as a kid in an orphanage after his parents were kidnapped and killed...psychotic weirdos, he and Baltar should get along great.

Anyone notice if the survivor count in the opening credits dropped this week? Does it ever drop?

The number has always changed every week. I remember it most clearly after 33 (the first episode after the mini, when Lee and Kara destroyed the Olympic Carrier) because it was a huge loss all at once.

I am seven weeks behind on BSG now. Eight? Maybe eight. Obviously not worrying about spoilers though ...

The number has always changed every week. I remember it most clearly after 33 (the first episode after the mini, when Lee and Kara destroyed the Olympic Carrier) because it was a huge loss all at once.

Awwwwww.

I am seven weeks behind on BSG now. Eight? Maybe eight. Obviously not worrying about spoilers though ...

May as well do the whole season at once now, if you're still interested.

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