mrv3000 | Evolution of the Daleks

The whole episode was just off. None of it really made sense and Martha was...well, Martha.

Plus, such a waste of the prettiness that is Ryan Carnes. *pouts*

I'm having a hard time *really* pinpointing the "just off" feeling, aside from the motivations. Maybe it was just the motivations for me. If I can't understand a character's motivations, then I sit there making frowny faces.

Who's Ryan Carnes? *looks up* Elliot? Who was Elliot? There was an Elliot in this episode? O_O

Ryan Carnes = Lazlo, aka. pig boy.

Maybe part of it is that I'm a bit fed up of the Daleks now. They've just been a bit too present over the last three years!

Did they reapear this much during the classic series?

Ryan Carnes = Lazlo, aka. pig boy.

Hmm. IMDB has him as "Elliot." Was it Elliot Lazlo? Oh! Maybe Lazlo Elliot? Weird. But anyway, he was a cutie at the beginning, wasn't he? But then spent the rest of the episode under makeup.

Maybe part of it is that I'm a bit fed up of the Daleks now. They've just been a bit too present over the last three years!

Yeah, even though I've got this thing with Daleks (they're cute! they roll! *SQUISHES*), I was sorta hoping this would be the end. But I guess that's what finales are for.

Did they reapear this much during the classic series?

I think they were a bit more spread out, but it's hard to tell - I've been skipping around a lot.

Your Dalek love is odd and disturbing! They're not squishy! :P

Oh! And I've just remembered the Doctor's "Tullulah with 2 L's and a H." loved that! Don't know why but I did.

Overall, it was...okay. Kinda doubt I'll be needing to see this episode again.

Yeah, I'm feeling that way about all the eps for series 3, actually, which makes me a wee bit sad. I was hoping I'd at least like Martha and the new series, but I'm really starting to feel annoyed by her and bored by the show. And I felt like I was watching some cheesy soap with some of the dialogue, especially at the end bit.

Yeah, I'm feeling that way about all the eps for series 3, actually, which makes me a wee bit sad.

I think I'd watch Smith & Jones again. And possibly the Shakespeare one. But overall, nothing's gotten me super excited.

I was hoping I'd at least like Martha and the new series, but I'm really starting to feel annoyed by her and bored by the show.

For me Martha...well, Martha's *crush* became less annoying to me in these last two episodes than prior. Man, Gridlock irked the hell out of me with that. But these last two it seemed like she was starting to finally get a clue. THANK GOD.

As far as Martha herself, I thought she was very cool back in Smith & Jones, but since then she's sorta settled into indifference with me, only irking me when she has her "love me!" moments and only making me bounce when she does something smart, like hooking up the lightning rod. The rest of the time...

(Of course, ignoring the whole lightning thing in the first place since I could have SWORN they were talking about solar flares before...but it somehow became lightning.)

And I felt like I was watching some cheesy soap with some of the dialogue, especially at the end bit.

Oh, that whole "someone for everyone" stuff?

For me Martha...well, Martha's *crush* became less annoying to me in these last two episodes than prior. Man, Gridlock irked the hell out of me with that. But these last two it seemed like she was starting to finally get a clue. THANK GOD.

Yeah, I guess it's the crush bit that's getting to me. I just want to grab her and shake her and say 'get over it. he's just not that into you!!!!' ;) But yes, I suppose she is finally starting to clue in, especially with her comment about how he looks at her but is seeing someone else.

(Of course, ignoring the whole lightning thing in the first place since I could have SWORN they were talking about solar flares before...but it somehow became lightning.)

LOL! Unfortunately I wasn't paying too close of attention, so I can't help ya on that! ;)

Oh, that whole "someone for everyone" stuff?

No, that bit I had a heart tug, so I liked that. But the bit with Tallulah and Lazlo as he's dying. I was rolling my eyes. Maybe I'm becoming jaded. *shrugs*

But yes, I suppose she is finally starting to clue in, especially with her comment about how he looks at her but is seeing someone else.

I'm clinging to that hope! And after all, the supposed theme of this series is hope! ;)

But the bit with Tallulah and Lazlo as he's dying. I was rolling my eyes. Maybe I'm becoming jaded. *shrugs*

Oh. Heh heh.

Oh, and don't know if this should go under the squee filter, but I laughed when he hugs Martha and then gets a wee bit frustrated at losing the lift because they were hugging. It was his bit about 'wasting time hugging' that cracked me up the most. Funny that, how he never had a problem with stopping for hugs with Rose. ;)

I had a "ha! you dork!" reaction to that as well, considering the amount of hugging he was doing last series. :D

WOW, I did not like this. It was draggy and boring. Daleks should not be boring! This whole episode made me feel like a bitter, cynical person, because no WAY would everyone in 1930 New York be so huggy with Martha and Solomon. And poor Laszlo would be dead pretty soon. And why is it evil to kill the last Dalek *HUFF*

Um, he was totally thinking about Rose at the end? Yay? Oh yes, death wishes galore! Maybe this is the lead-in to...those episodes?

WOW, I did not like this. It was draggy and boring. Daleks should not be boring!

Yeah, even I wasn't having much Dalek squee in this episode. Where I point and squish for they are too adorable for words. (Yes, I have a very strange problem with Daleks.)

This whole episode made me feel like a bitter, cynical person, because no WAY would everyone in 1930 New York be so huggy with Martha and Solomon.

I saw that brought up by many people after last week's episode, and while I *totally* agree, I put a mental "lalalala" on that part. Just so utterly unrealistic.

And poor Laszlo would be dead pretty soon.

You'd kinda think, wouldn't you? But again, I was lalalalaing.

And why is it evil to kill the last Dalek *HUFF*

I don't think they really successfully got that across. I kinda get it thinking back on it now - it was a genocide thing. Even back with Four, he couldn't completely wipe them out when he had a chance. But here I think it was more of a Face-of-Boe-last-of-his-kind-type thing. The Doctor seems to be trying to grasp onto people/entities that could possibly identify with or understand him this series. He was *desperate* not to lose the Face of Boe, when he barely even knew him. Met him on Platform One, and then had a few words with him in the hospital. It's not very rational, but it seems the Doctor's a bit lost at the moment.

The Dalek was also last of his kind, and so the Doctor tries to grab hold again. And hell, this one is SO irrational. The Doctor *knows* a Dalek is a Dalek. But maybe he had it in his mind that Rose had done it once (with a little genetic help) - she'd gotten a Dalek who thought it was the last to have a redemption of sorts - and so maybe it could happen again?

Um, he was totally thinking about Rose at the end? Yay?

*waves flag*

Oh yes, death wishes galore! Maybe this is the lead-in to...those episodes?

I would *kill* for an Idiot's Lantern episode right about now.

What makes me sad is that by this point in the last two series, I was dying to get my hansd on the DVDs to see the episodes again, and gt some commentary on them. This year? There's not really one I'd want to see again, save the Shakespeare one.

As an astrophysics student I practically fell in my margarita at the "solar flare". Oh. My. God.

I kinda wish they'd killed DT in the episode. What an amazing twist that'd be. Ooh.

What makes me sad is that by this point in the last two series, I was dying to get my hansd on the DVDs to see the episodes again, and gt some commentary on them. This year? There's not really one I'd want to see again, save the Shakespeare one.

Yeah, I *really* doubt I'll be needing to buy S3 DVDs.

As an astrophysics student I practically fell in my margarita at the "solar flare". Oh. My. God.

HA!

I kinda wish they'd killed DT in the episode. What an amazing twist that'd be. Ooh.

Would have shocked the hell out of everyone, wouldn't it have? Although we've already seen previews for the whole series where he's in it.

I think it's really amusing that you're consistently seeing the episodes before I am, considering that before the series started you were all about wanting me to watch them and tell you about it first. Hee.

The Doctor is in a really bad place. He offered himself up to the Daleks to kill twice, for Pete's sake, with absolutely no expectation that he'd survive. I'm sorry Rose is gone, Doctor, but you really need to snap out of it. Rose would whack you upside the head if she could see you now.

Couldn't *exactly* figure out why the Doctor was helping to create a new race. That whole reasoning is a bit fuzzy in my mind.

I think that he was thinking that they'd be different from the Daleks and that the Daleks would no longer be rampaging across the universe killing everything inferior if he did it. But very hazy logic, to me.

And I thought it was a solar flare that was supposed to give power to these people, but lightning did it?

*snerk* Dear, this is Doctor Who science! It's not supposed to make sense! *handwave*

Yeah. Why...why've they got the humandalek chained up like a pet?

... because the producers/writers thought it looked cool? I thought it looked ridiculous, personally.

I enjoyed it while I was watching it, but I find it's best not to think about it too much.

I think it's really amusing that you're consistently seeing the episodes before I am, considering that before the series started you were all about wanting me to watch them and tell you about it first. Hee.

SHHHHHH!

The Doctor is in a really bad place. He offered himself up to the Daleks to kill twice, for Pete's sake, with absolutely no expectation that he'd survive. I'm sorry Rose is gone, Doctor, but you really need to snap out of it. Rose would whack you upside the head if she could see you now.

When I imagined S3, I *honestly* did not see him in such a place of despair. Well, you've read my post-Doomsday fic - I imagined him going on pretty much as usual, his mind wandering to her in the quiet moments and *very* private about her. He'd not even mentioned Rose's name to Martha in all the time she was there (until the plot kicked in.)

But I guess if you think of it that while the Doctor was healing from the Time War, he definitely wasn't recovered. And so you had the person who was helping him heal being taken away, which not only ripped open that old wound, but added another wound to it.

I think that he was thinking that they'd be different from the Daleks and that the Daleks would no longer be rampaging across the universe killing everything inferior if he did it. But very hazy logic, to me.

Yeah, I guess. But why help make them at all? Does the universe need a new race?

*snerk* Dear, this is Doctor Who science! It's not supposed to make sense! *handwave*

*flails*

... because the producers/writers thought it looked cool? I thought it looked ridiculous, personally.

Yeah. Heh. They came out with him on this leash chain, and I had a "WHY?" reaction. Probably only because I'd had several other "WHY?" reactions already.

I enjoyed it while I was watching it, but I find it's best not to think about it too much.

*switches off brain*

I am really sick of the Daleks.

They lose a lot of impact when they are constantly trundled out.

I agree. I think they were starting to lose some impact for me in Doomsday as well. It was only kinda fun because it was Daleks vs. Cybermen.

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