Here come the drums...

[mrv3000]

Think I've come to a decision about Last of the Time Lords.



Jack being the Face of Boe? Shocking, but...really, really pointless. Okay, it makes sense considering that Boe was extremely old, beyond really anything in the universe. But Jack's comment about feeling he was kept alive for a reason, said while back in Torchwood (don't know the exact line)...

There was no *reason* for his "you are not alone" in Gridlock. The Doctor didn't even believe him at the time. And it provided no insight or knowledge before, during or after the Master appearing.

Sorry, Jack, but you were a plot device.

But at least the Doctor was with Jack when he eventually died. And I do think that that's really rather lovely.

ETA: Oh, you know what would be mind-bendingly cool? If someday the Doctor would eventually die (for the last time), but does it in, say, 4692 or something. And Jack would be there for him when he died. Ack! I'm tearing up!

Comments

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

I really wanted for there to be an actual good reason for Jack's immortality.

Huh. A lot of people feel this way, and I'm scratching my head about how I really rather don't.

I really, really love that such a profound consequence resulted from Rose having the best of intentions but no bloody clue what she was doing. And that it's up to Jack to honor the intentions, and his own worth, by making it a positive.

As a cosmic mistake, I think it's one of the coolest, if not the coolest thing this team of PTB have done. As something With A Good Reason, it would become contrived to me.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

You know, at first I was thinking all cosmic mistake/Rose-screwed-up, which I'd have been fine with. Who's all about unintended fallout from good intentions. The Doctor's wake is *littered* with this.

But then that Jack line from Torchwood, talking about 'alive for a reason,' kept sneaking into my mind, and it just seemed like the setup to something more. Which I guess was the Boe thing. But that didn't really seem to be a "reason" like Jack was talking about.

[wiliqueen.livejournal.com]

I dunno. I would want to think that too if I were him.

But I've gotten quite attached -- from about that time, actually -- to the idea that he needs to find/make his own reason, and that he would eventually find that out. That there wasn't one that would just be Revealed to him.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I guess. I know, it really is a good thing - another theme of Who: finding your own path.

But...the reason! They redherringed us! Which shouldn't be so shocking, really. *mutters*

[jedi_of_urth]

You know, at first I was thinking all cosmic mistake/Rose-screwed-up, which I'd have been fine with.

I might have been too, if it didn't seem clear to me that Rose knew exactly what she was doing while she was the Bad Wolf. Therefore Jack's immortality should have a real purpose behind it. Rose wanted Jack to live, Bad Wolf made him immortal, and the Bad Wolf doesn't screw up even if Rose does. If that logic makes any sense.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

There's always that as well. The whole Bad Wolf thing was constantly beyond the Doctor, and he kept getting it wrong. He was saying things like it all involved him and Rose was just a pawn or something. That Rose could be a part of it never even crossed his mind. He could very well have been wrong about the "out of control" thing, just because that was the way it looked to him.

[jedi_of_urth]

The whole Bad Wolf thing was constantly beyond the Doctor, and he kept getting it wrong.

Your right, the Bad Wolf puzzle was always a mystery to him. It certainly wouldn't be surprising that he got it wrong again, after all he probably figures it's all gone now but we know it's still around. Actually...have any of the callbacks occurred with him around? The werewolf brought it up, there was the Bad Wolf virus but no telling if the Doctor knew about it, the one in Torchwood, and then the one in Chinese in Gridlock that he didn't seem to notice. Well, there was Bad Wolf Bay obviously, but the significance could easily be lost if it's the only reference he notices (on top of which she was the one to point out the translation).

It's there, but he can't see it, because it was always outside his world, it existed for Rose. I think what he needs now is to see with her eyes again and realize that she's everywhere, reaching to him, the link between them telling him that he can get back to her.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Ooooh. "Bad Wolf here, Bad Wolf there."

If only.