Yoinked from aristaea

[mrv3000]

O_O

First thing that comes to mind? STOP ENCOURAGING RTD, DAMMIT!

And the second thing? Futurama's Church of Trek.

Third thing? ...

Fourth thing? ...

Fifth thing? There'll be no living with RTD now.

Sixth thing? I have no icon that fully embodies this post.

Seventh thing? ...

ETA: Spoilers for S3 in the comments.

Comments

[kammgirl.livejournal.com]

I am literally without words.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

...

[debs7.livejournal.com]

*head desk*

I have no words.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Yes.

[dettiot.livejournal.com]

I'm trying to find words amidst my hysterical giggles, but sadly, they're just not coming.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

This just makes me *really* want Donna to beat the crap out of him in S4 for some reason. Is that odd?

[solielle.livejournal.com]

......EHRM.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

*ERMS as well*

[fiona-conn.livejournal.com]

*Looks totally nonplussed*

Yeah, what of it?

I wrote an essay in my first year of University about Doctor Who and how it tied into theology and ethics. *Laughs* I remember including a bit about how the Doctor is akin to a messianic figure at times. XD

http://fiona-conn.deviantart.com/art/Doctor-Who-and-Theology-33034478

If you feel inclined to read. =)

~Fif

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

The whole "god" theme in New Who has made me twitch, quite frankly. A LOT.

[ivydoor.livejournal.com]

Do... WHAT?

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Exactly.

[honorh.livejournal.com]

They're missing the boat. You want needlessly Messianic? Try the Book of Jack, chapter 13:

"And lo, Abaddon aroes from the depths of the Rift to slaughter the Welsh. Then Captain Jack did say to Gwen, 'Take me to yonder field where I shall do battle with the Son of the Beast,' and Gwen did say, 'But thou shalt not survive, immortal though thou mayest be!' Yet she obeyed, and lo, Captain Jack and Abaddon met in the fields of Cardiff, and Abaddon sucked mightily until the sexual magnetism of Captain Jack slew him.

"Thereupon Gwen and the Torchwoodians did take the body of Captain Jack, which remained pretty, to the depths of the Hub, and Gwen sat with him three days until he arose to hug Tosh and snog Ianto, and Owen fell upon his breast weeping. 'Dear friend, I do forgive you,' said Captain Jack, 'for thou wast misled and have many Issues.'

"Then the Sacred Hand of the Doctor began to glow, and Captain Jack was spirited away by the TARDIS, and his team did see him no more until the following season."

At least, that's what my translation says.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[aristaea.livejournal.com]

RTD is like a gayer, crazier, and more evangelical Tom Cruise. And you can't even hide behind the sofa, because he's out there, jumping on it.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

That's SKERRY.

[professor_mirror]

It's been done.

Also, here.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

BWAH!

[joyfulfeather.livejournal.com]

O.o

I. Um.

So it's okay with the church that the Doctor is being portrayed as a Christ-like figure? Even held up as a good thing? Really?

I just... I don't see the point they're trying to make by doing this. Other than drawing young people to church by showing clips from a popular TV show. Because what, showing them how God-like the Doctor is is going to get them to come to church? Really?

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Maybe when people get there, the message will actually be: "The Messiah: You're Doing It Wrong."

[jedi_of_urth]

... ... ...
... ... ...

Um...

...Really?

But...I want them to stop turning the Doctor into a god figure, not have churches feed the imagery. I know there are some similarities, but really when Jesus commits genocide a few times and then throws people into eternal torment just because they kind of tick him off, and leaves a good friend behind because of something that isn't his fault but he's prejudiced against, then we'll talk. I'm not even religious and I' don't want that in a messiah figure.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Yes, exactly! Don't be encouraging RTD in this! *wags finger*

And yeah. The Doctor is a *wretched* Christ-figure (despite RTD's love of messing with the theme) for the reasons you said. He also denies mercy. He's unable to properly express love - any kind of love. He moves on without noticing the consequences of his actions, unless they later come to bite him in the ass. I mean, I adore the character of the Doctor, but if he's the Messiah, the universe is screwed.

[pixiesio.livejournal.com]

*facepalm* Oi with the poodles...

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Urg!

[marble-rose.livejournal.com]

Um. *scratches head* These people did see the end of FoB, right? I'm not exactly up to snuff on the Bible, but I don't remember Jesus being scary and sadistic. Maybe I could buy into the messianic parallels a bit more if there weren't so many examples of why Lonely God Doctor is a Bad Thing.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Um. *scratches head* These people did see the end of FoB, right? I'm not exactly up to snuff on the Bible, but I don't remember Jesus being scary and sadistic.

Heh. No. Don't remember any "No second chances" either.

Maybe I could buy into the messianic parallels a bit more if there weren't so many examples of why Lonely God Doctor is a Bad Thing.

Very Bad Thing.

[tsukara.livejournal.com]

Yeah, see, I have some problems with the whole messianic-themes-in-new-who. More problems in the forms of "dammit RTD, we get it, now stop plz", but more just of the "yeah, it doesn't really fit" variety.

Now, that's not to say that the theme of good (not the fluffy sort of good that is typically thought of, but the reall, powerful, it can burn you up from the inside out kind ) in Doctor who isn't a big one. And a valid one.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Yeah, see, I have some problems with the whole messianic-themes-in-new-who. More problems in the forms of "dammit RTD, we get it, now stop plz", but more just of the "yeah, it doesn't really fit" variety.

Yeah. A lot of it is just so... *throws up hands*

Now, that's not to say that the theme of good (not the fluffy sort of good that is typically thought of, but the reall, powerful, it can burn you up from the inside out kind ) in Doctor who isn't a big one. And a valid one.

Totally. But when it starts going off like in LotTL with the heavy-handed, WTF Jesus Tinkerbell Christ, and turning poor Martha into a disciple, it all starts feeling rather ooky.

[cheapevilgirl.livejournal.com]

Sixth thing? I have no icon that fully embodies this post.

I second that, cause WTF

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Mwah!

[goldy-dollar.livejournal.com]

Ooh! Did I miss the chapter in the Bible where Jesus blows up his home planet to kill the Daleks?

[aristaea.livejournal.com]

Yeah, that was the chapter they only gave to the cool kids who stayed after Sunday School. You're not allowed to know about it unless you sign the sekrit book, and then you have to be initiated via the bake sale. But now you know, and we have to shun you. *shuns*

[nostariel]

...THE HELL?!

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I just *know* this is going to encourage RTD and Donna's gonna wind up a nun next series.

*snicker*

[pro-hominum.livejournal.com]

He's a God not the son of God...though techincally his dad was a time lord so he is the son of *a* God.

*gasp*

That's why he's completely obsessed with human kind and never tells anyone his name...he really *is* Jesus and doesn't fancy another crucifixion. *ponders if that's a t-shirt in his extensive wardrobe - Crucifixion? Been there, done that*

Does that make Rose Mary Magdelin or Martha? (though given the standard thought of what her profession was, my money would be on Jackie)

Re: *snicker*

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Well, we've already got a Martha, so I guess that'd make her Mary. :D

[beck-liz.livejournal.com]

*wince* And now I've run across at least one post on my flist who approves of this development. I... do not understand.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I think what I'm most "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" about is the notion that RTD will see this! And he'll be VALIDATED! *FLAILS*

[katesutton.livejournal.com]

Whaaaat? No, no and no. Rrrr. This is bringing some SERIOUS ISSUES I have with season three to light. I didn't realize they were quite so big. RTD seems to have a weird obsession with using religious themes in his work. Especially for an atheist. Unless this Doctor arc ends with Ten/Eleven/whoever realizing that he's not god and needs to take a break, then I'm officially Not Amused.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

Like aristaea mentioned above, it's all got kinda messy. Aside from the fact that a lot of times it's pointed out how the god thing is a Very Bad Thing for the Doctor but then you get the LotTL finale, it's all just sorta...jumbled together, picking whatever - Christianity, mythology, etc. - they happen to want to play with at the moment. Which is why for me the religious themes on BSG work, while on Doctor Who they do not.

[angst-angel.livejournal.com]

I am torn between thinking "No, wait, is that for reals??" and being...slightly disturbed.

[mrv3000.livejournal.com]

I've decided to pretend I never saw that.