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I have to bitch about a fandomsecret thing, which I'm not keeping secret.
The original f!s:
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And semi-related, I saw some "St. Gwen" comments in a Torchwood post. To give a little backstory on me, I wouldn't say that Gwen is my favorite Torchwood character. I probably don't have a favorite character on Torchwood, but possibly it's Jack just because of his DW ties. I don't ship anyone on Torchwood and I mainly watch it for the crack.
However, I have watched S1 - S3, and "St. Gwen?" HARDLY. We are talking about the woman who cheated on Rhys, right? Yes, Gwen did awesome things, but so did Jack, Ianto, Owen and Tosh. These are characters who work for a semi-secret alien-catching organization. They're supposed to be a bit more superhero-ish than your average Joe.
Feel free to hate Gwen all you want. No one has to like a character. But when you feel the need to justify that hate with stuff like "St. Gwen" or "Mary Sue," I'm just going to roll my eyes at you. I actually watch this show too, and no amount of repeating those titles will make it be true.
The original f!s:
http://i27.tinypic.com/mbppq8.jpg
- Who are these "fans?" You and your online buddies? Is that supposed to comprise all of the show's fans?
- I never heard about any field polls about what characters people liked better. Must have been some super secret polls done just so RTD can craft entire shows that make up his livelihood around the results.
- What about Martha, Owen and Tosh? Are they off their shows because RTD wanted to punish the fans for liking cheese?
- I guess the fact that Ten's final story will involve Donna means that RTD is continuing with the punishment. DAMN HIM FOR RESOLVING DONNA'S STORYLINE! Oh wait. I think that's what we wanted. I'm getting so confused of when I get to curse RTD's name and when he merely exists.
- I can't speak to Gwen, since I really don't know anything about that show's overall fan base, but I can speak to Rose. Rose is so unpopular with the fans that as of last Halloween, little girls (and a few big ones) dressed up as her. Rose is so unpopular with the fans that at the DW panel at ComicCon, people were yelling out her name. Yeah, fans hate her.
- I know you're upset at Ianto's death, BUT STOP BRINGING ROSE INTO IT, YOU INSANE PEOPLE. Rose didn't cause Ianto's death. Rose didn't even get Donna kicked off the show, nor is Rose responsible for Donna coming back. ROSE DID NOT CAUSE GLOBAL WARMING.
- The few responses to this secret actually agree with the secret. O_O I just... Why do I always expect to find logic in fandom, but always am surprised when I don't? I must be mad.
And semi-related, I saw some "St. Gwen" comments in a Torchwood post. To give a little backstory on me, I wouldn't say that Gwen is my favorite Torchwood character. I probably don't have a favorite character on Torchwood, but possibly it's Jack just because of his DW ties. I don't ship anyone on Torchwood and I mainly watch it for the crack.
However, I have watched S1 - S3, and "St. Gwen?" HARDLY. We are talking about the woman who cheated on Rhys, right? Yes, Gwen did awesome things, but so did Jack, Ianto, Owen and Tosh. These are characters who work for a semi-secret alien-catching organization. They're supposed to be a bit more superhero-ish than your average Joe.
Feel free to hate Gwen all you want. No one has to like a character. But when you feel the need to justify that hate with stuff like "St. Gwen" or "Mary Sue," I'm just going to roll my eyes at you. I actually watch this show too, and no amount of repeating those titles will make it be true.
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Yes, exactly! And Doomsday anyone? It was 2 years before the resolution to Rose's storyline. Donna's is going to get resolved quicker. (But, you know, RTD is taking his revenge because fans luuuuuurve Donna more than they luuuuuuuuurve Rose.)
The way I see it, RTD took a long look at Torchwood as a series and decided if it had any chance of continuing, it needed a complete overhaul. And that meant purging the show of what didn't work in order to start fresh. I liked Ianto--he was funny and snarky at times and made me laugh--but he didn't serve the drama, and was, unfortunately, expendable.
Yeah, I agree, including what you said about the characters. (I think overall I'm most disgruntled about Tosh. Not because she was killed off, but because she was such a wasted character.)
And I think with CoE, RTD showed what he wanted Torchwood to be - a truly darker version of Doctor Who, not just an edgier version of Doctor Who or a campier version of Doctor Who. (Although I was rather partial to the camp.) CoE was some of the most chilling writing I've ever seen on TV.
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RTD doesn't give a good goddamn what the fans think, or what people are saying on the internet (though I *do* think he'd get a kick out of the socks). He doesn't care who people love, only that they serve the story he's ready to tell (and that they signed on for another series, which, you know, CT DID NOT).
Not because she was killed off, but because she was such a wasted character.
I agree. I really wanted to like Tosh--I did, even, in spite of how poorly she was written. She had such potential, and the writers completely squandered it.
And I think with CoE, RTD showed what he wanted Torchwood to be
Oh, definitely. This was RTD coming in and saying "This is what I meant all along, people." And that wouldn't work with the characters that were already on the show. Maybe Owen, but he was, you know, undead and then redeaded.