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*ponders*
I think Martha wins.
Okay, I haven't yet seen *all* of the classic series, but a lot. I was thinking about this last night - Martha's come out better than just about any other companion, hasn't she?
Pros:
Ian and Barbara - They'd probably be the biggest competition for Martha, I'm thinking. They went back to their same time and place. Probably settled down and had a couple of kids... But they don't have the Doctor on speed-dial. That's a preeetty big trump card.
Jamie and Zoe - They got their lives back, but they didn't remember their time with the Doctor. That sucks.
Liz and Jo - I kinda want to put them off in a different category, since they were around during the Earth-bound years, and never did that "TARDIS life" thing. They wound up in the same time and place because they never really went anywhere.
Some wound up a bit better off in the end than when they started, like Leela. And Romana as well, probably - she wound up as another dimension's Time Lord instead of whatever she was doing on Gallifrey before. (Wasn't she working for some government department or something?) But their lives were still drastically altered.
The cool thing about Martha is she was also drastically altered, but it was all *internal.* For all intents and purposes, she's got her life back exactly where she left it. But what she does with it now is really what she'll make of it. That's rather snifty. I think I'm more interested in post-Doctor Martha than with-Doctor Martha. And so I think it could be cool to see her pop up once or twice in S4.
Okay, I haven't yet seen *all* of the classic series, but a lot. I was thinking about this last night - Martha's come out better than just about any other companion, hasn't she?
Pros:
- She's alive.
- Her family is in one piece.
- She's back in the same time *and* the same place as where she started, and so has the choice to pick up where she left off.
- Her mother's back with her father. (I'm guessing this is a pro.)
- Her family remembers everything to know how completely awesome she is. Also, she has people to talk to about her travels, without them wanting to lock her away.
- No weird physical changes (i.e., immortal or hole in the head)
- Came to realization to move on with her life now instead of 20 years later. (i.e., Sarah Jane)
- Got to go out saying everything she wanted to say, as well as realizing that she's worth something on her own without needing to compare herself to someone else.
- Has hot pediatrician to chase after.
- Has the Doctor on speed-dial.
- She lost her flat. *BOOM*
- Didn't get that kind of relationship she wanted with the Doctor.
Ian and Barbara - They'd probably be the biggest competition for Martha, I'm thinking. They went back to their same time and place. Probably settled down and had a couple of kids... But they don't have the Doctor on speed-dial. That's a preeetty big trump card.
Jamie and Zoe - They got their lives back, but they didn't remember their time with the Doctor. That sucks.
Liz and Jo - I kinda want to put them off in a different category, since they were around during the Earth-bound years, and never did that "TARDIS life" thing. They wound up in the same time and place because they never really went anywhere.
Some wound up a bit better off in the end than when they started, like Leela. And Romana as well, probably - she wound up as another dimension's Time Lord instead of whatever she was doing on Gallifrey before. (Wasn't she working for some government department or something?) But their lives were still drastically altered.
The cool thing about Martha is she was also drastically altered, but it was all *internal.* For all intents and purposes, she's got her life back exactly where she left it. But what she does with it now is really what she'll make of it. That's rather snifty. I think I'm more interested in post-Doctor Martha than with-Doctor Martha. And so I think it could be cool to see her pop up once or twice in S4.
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And while I'm a total lurker on your lj and don't even know if you do Eureka, I thought I might pimp this to you: http://jennyo.livejournal.com/813129.html?view=8992329
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I said in another post that I thought she'd make a better ex-companion than a companion. After this episode, I actually wouldn't mind seeing her again as opposed to everything up to this point, when I was just so DONE with the character. But with the Doctor, she was always going to be doing that comparing thing in her head. As well as in spite of *logically* knowing the Doctor was never going to have that kind of relationship with her, emotionally she probably would still be hoping for it. And she's just kind of held back when she's like that.
I'd metaed about Martha having her own perception filter when it came to the Doctor a while back. Nice to see she's got it completely off now.
And while I'm a total lurker on your lj and don't even know if you do Eureka, I thought I might pimp this to you: http://jennyo.livejournal.com/813129.html?view=8992329
Nope, never seen Eureka. :)
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Definitely. I'd like to see Martha again, to see how she's really become the person that the Doctor saw, the amazing clever human. And even though I didn't like the character at all really, that's nice to see.
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I still may never forgive the Who writing team for just not giving us a well-rounded character when it came to Martha. I seriously think they gave us more in one episode for Rose's dead father than we got most of the series with Martha. Most the time I had no idea of her drive, other than she was in "love" with the Doctor. Which...I guess really was her drive? But then some of the time she didn't even really seem to like or care about the Doctor - or rather, parts of the Doctor... It was just really sloppy, IMO.
But it is nice that they showed an actual *positive* companion departure. Well, positive for Martha. The four people before her that the Doctor traveled with in New Who just did not end up well. Adam: hole in head. Jack: immortally alone. Mickey: in AU (but probably happier). Rose: in AU. Even the person he tried to travel with - Reinette - wound up waiting for him for the rest of her life.
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The cool thing about Martha is she was also drastically altered, but it was all *internal.* For all intents and purposes, she's got her life back exactly where she left it. But what she does with it now is really what she'll make of it. That's rather snifty. I think I'm more interested in post-Doctor Martha than with-Doctor Martha.
Yeah. I'd say these last couple of episodes have given me the only insight into Martha that I've actually *liked.* And I feel like she's FINALLY done what I've been waiting for her to do all season long.
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Seriously, her fans being pissed is so completely baffling to me. They... they really don't care about her as a person, just as the Not!Rose that they were shipping the Doctor with. And that's so sad.
I mean -- one of the people that I watch the show with is a huge Martha fan and she was thrilled at how great Martha was in the this episode. Sad that there was a good-bye and that she may or may not see Martha again, but thrilled at how strong the character got to be.
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Considering that many a companion wound up in very different places after things were over, some even dead, yeah. Martha really got a fantastic departure.
Yeah. I'd say these last couple of episodes have given me the only insight into Martha that I've actually *liked.* And I feel like she's FINALLY done what I've been waiting for her to do all season long.
I think part of the problem was that they dragged out that whole unrequited love thing past the point of tolerance for most people. For the person that they set Martha up to be, I was expecting for her to hash things out/confront the Doctor about it way earlier on. But they needed it for the finale, as well as it bringing other elements as long as well.
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I remember back when S2 was airing. People kept talking about how the point of Rose should have been for her to become a better person while traveling with the Doctor. Well, I'd agree she did become a better person, but that really didn't seem to be the point with her character arc. Martha on the other hand, looking back over S3, her character arc really did seem to be about becoming that tougher, kinder, wiser person.
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Rose's journey, though, was about choosing to stay and becoming epic to complement the Doctor. She takes the short-cut in Parting of the Ways, becoming epic and a Goddess in minutes -- and then she does it the longer, harder way over the course of S2, which means that the knowledge now belongs to her and isn't forbidden anymore.
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Exactly.
Rose's journey, though, was about choosing to stay and becoming epic to complement the Doctor. She takes the short-cut in Parting of the Ways, becoming epic and a Goddess in minutes -- and then she does it the longer, harder way over the course of S2, which means that the knowledge now belongs to her and isn't forbidden anymore.
By forbidden knowledge, do you mean her learning how to control the TARDIS? Or...
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I mean, in Fear Her, she's smelling what he's smelling. She probably would have been licking things, next.
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Oh, I like this—the idea that Rose forgot the Time Vortex not because the Doctor wiped it from her head, but because her subconscious hid the memories till she was ready to deal with them. I like that a lot. And it fits with when I think she started to get her memories back.
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pointless digression
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But wait, I just realized -- does this mean no more blog posts?? I am sad about this if only because I read them through your MST posts. :D
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Yeah, me too.
But wait, I just realized -- does this mean no more blog posts?? I am sad about this if only because I read them through your MST posts. :D
I'm thinking Martha's blog has come to a close...
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It's sad, though, that it took a whole year for Martha to finally take her own advice when it came to her crush on the Doctor. That, and I think you mentioned this, but also how we didn't actually get to see her development during the year she was walking the world.
Yep. That'll be great to see/hear especially since it seems she'll make her series 4 appearance about mid-way through I think.
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*nods*
She'll really remind me of Sarah Jane in that way.
It's sad, though, that it took a whole year for Martha to finally take her own advice when it came to her crush on the Doctor. That, and I think you mentioned this, but also how we didn't actually get to see her development during the year she was walking the world.
Yeah. Happy she finally got there, but 1) took way too long, and 2) we didn't really get to see a whole lot of that internal conflict onscreen.